I have to say, this whole chain of blog 'n' response is rather confusing, but let me try to summarize it for the sake of, well, having a summary:
Nicholas Carr took
Cory Doctorow to task for supporting
Clay Shirky in his efforts to pronounce Citizendium dead on arrival, due to what Shirky saw as a lack of understanding on Larry Sanger's part about what really constitutes "expertise."
Larry Sanger's own reply to Shirky (
what kind of name is "Shirky," anyway?) was seen as "defensive" by the pro-Wikipedia contingent, who all along have bashed Sanger for his tendency to produce "nothing but vaporware" (for lack of anything better to bash him over). Carr's reponse to the whole thing was to say that while Citizendium may be doomed, it's because of too
little respect for expertise, rather than too much. (I'm paraphrasing, of course.)
This all took place a month ago, but I missed it at the time. But this is still the only instance I've seen of a pro-Wikipedian criticizing Citizendium and/or Sanger for a legitimate reason
other than Sanger's previous failures to produce a viable competitor to Wikipedia. (I'm probably just not be looking hard enough...)
QUOTE(Nicholas Carr @ Sept. 20, 2006)
Let me throw out another (not entirely baked) thought. If you really want to compete with Wikipedia, don't recruit experts to act as editors. Recruit good, smart editors to act as editors, and recruit experts to act as contributors. The editor's job should be to synthesize the knowledge of experts (whether those experts are professionals or amateurs) and distill it into good, consistent, readable (and preferably concise) prose. If the experts trust the judgment and skill of the editor, I think the likelihood that they'd contribute would be increased substantially - particularly if their contributions were acknowledged in some way. In this way, you'd not only address Wikipedia's content problem but you'd also address its equally large writing problem (which Sanger's Citizendium concept doesn't address, so far as I can see).
I think Carr makes a very good point here. Not all experts are good editors, and vice-versa. So to some extent, success might hinge on the question of how many people who are good at one, but not the other, are willing to
admit that they're good at one, but not the other.
And maybe the real question isn't "what will kill Citizendium?" - but rather, "what will Citizendium kill?" And if it kills off any remaining vestiges of desire among academics and professional experts to participate in collaborative online knowledge-gathering projects, is that a good thing, or a bad thing?
I'd say it's a bad thing, because then, not only is internet culture back to dealing with Wikipedia by default, it gives the tin-plated despots and self-aggrandizers who have taken over Wikipedia an even easier time of it, in their tireless efforts to basically screw up as much of what currently passes for the sum of human knowledge as they can.