Hey look, sweet - PP got Dugg, and one of Wiki's scumbags pops in to try to defend themselves here.
Why don't they just come clean?
QUOTE(Mark Ryan @ Sun 25th February 2007, 8:33am)
QUOTE(Queeran @ Fri 23rd February 2007, 10:55pm)
they "banned" him from their mailing list, despite no problems and users defending his posts and interacting fine - because he was able to expose the lies of a cabal member.
I would hardly say there were "no problems". Keep in mind the user was on moderation and not all of his/her emails reached the mailing list.
And your point is? I was on that list too once, but I got "moderated" because the islamist cabal didn't want to have anyone writing truthful articles about islam, they just want it to be propaganda filth.
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QUOTE(Queeran @ Sat 24th February 2007, 4:03am)
He revealed the truth about JPGordon lying about a CheckUser, and published the real results.
The only way Wikipedia would be able to prove him wrong is to try to shut him up, for sure.
They're protecting JPGordon.
As I stated on the mailing list (you must have missed my email in response to Parker Peters, or you are blindly believing everything they say for whatever reason), I independently got two uninvolved CheckUsers to examine the CheckUser log for the users Peters claimed to post the CheckUser "data" for. The
only person at that time to have queried all 3 users in question was JPGordon. Parker Peters could only have gotten the CheckUser data from JPGordon, and considering Parker Peters' vitriolic attacking of JPGordon's actions, I don't think that is very likely. His only response to my comment to that effect on the list was to ask me to do a CheckUser lookup on the users myself.
There was also no posting of the CheckUser results on the CheckUsers' mailing list.
So there are several possibilities stemming from this:
1. Parker Peters has access to the CheckUser data in a way that doesn't leave something on the log (i.e. a developer with database access) -- unlikely
2. JPGordon gave Parker Peters the CheckUser data, mistakenly taking the person for someone they can trust -- unlikely
3. Parker Peters has hacked into JPGordon's computer -- unlikely
4. Parker Peters is lying about having the CheckUser data, and is either making it up or going off what he/she has been told directly by the user(s) concerned -- possible
5. Parker Peters is in fact the concerned user(s) and knows whether there is IP crossovers etc. because he or she made sure to keep the IPs separated etc. when using the accounts -- also possible.
The assertion that as a list administrator I am "protecting" JPGordon from being exposed as a big boogeyman is ridiculous, especially considering I don't recall ever having any significant interaction with JPGordon (except maybe for random exchanges in IRC channels -- I lose track of nicknames in there for everyone except the most vocal regulars).
You got two "uninvolved checkusers" huh? I wonder why the Checkuser log isn't public, so that everyone can see who did it?
But sure I'll bite.
1. - As likely as anything else.
2. - And how do you know?
3. - I agree, not likely.
4. - And if the users are telling the truth, and JPGordon is the one lying?
5. - IF PP is all of them, that'd be a laugh, but I don't think so. I think that #1 is the truth.
HEre's a funny thing. If PP really were #5, and if the IP addresses were indeed completely different then, what WOULD the results of the CheckUser be? Well?
That's something for you to ask. There are at least 4 things on this list you gave that don't require PP to be lying about what what the checkuser should have shown.
I think the checkuser ought to be checked. I think JPGordon is lying. Occam's razor says the simplest answer is most often true, the simplest answer to any of the above is: JPGordon did indeed lie about the result. You admit people are checking WHO made the checks, but not one of them checked to see whether or not PP's analysis is right. I think he is. I think PP has the results, and JPGordon lied about them, because that's what makes the most sense.
You admit people are still hiding the actual results. Why is that?