If you're curious, the step by step process linking Sweet Blue Water and SlimVirgin is available to review on AntiSocialMedia.net.
The first third of the post is mostly preachy stuff about transparency and accountability that we in the Wikipedia Exile Community say here all the time. If you want to get to the money, scroll down until you see the table comparing the Salinger article's actual edit history with the edit history as it appears today.
Enjoy!
Judd
Full Version: The Skinny on SlimVirgin's Sockpuppetry
Can anyone get this info put into the wikipedia mailing list somehow?
My eyes blurred a bit, so I'm still a bit unclear — NTBCW nuclear — as to which account came first, SlimVirgin, Slimv, Sweet Blue Water, or perhaps some other. I mean of course in the non-sanitized history of things.
Jonny
Jonny
QUOTE(WordBomb @ Wed 22nd August 2007, 1:03pm) 
If you're curious, the step by step process linking Sweet Blue Water and SlimVirgin is available to review on AntiSocialMedia.net.
Well written and persuasively documented. Question: who is Formeruser-81? This looks like someone who may have been a player in the whole affair, and had his or her user history admin-deleted.
QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Wed 22nd August 2007, 10:04pm)
QUOTE(WordBomb @ Wed 22nd August 2007, 1:03pm)
If you're curious, the step by step process linking Sweet Blue Water and SlimVirgin is available to review on AntiSocialMedia.net.
Well written and persuasively documented. Question: who is Formeruser-81? This looks like someone who may have been a player in the whole affair, and had his or her user history admin-deleted.
He's AndyL, aka a whole load of other people we're not allowed to mention. I think his presence there is a coincidence. Though he was eventually chased off the site by SV and Jayjg some time later on unrelated matters. Again a coincidence me thinks.
QUOTE(LamontStormstar @ Wed 22nd August 2007, 4:13pm)
Can anyone get this info put into the wikipedia mailing list somehow?
Perhaps somebody should submit it as an article to Slashdot... there it would provoke more of a discussion (which might spread to the Wikipedia lists too) than if somebody were to try to post it to the list directly and have it immediately shot down as "attempts to repost material from an attack site written by a banned user".
QUOTE(dtobias @ Wed 22nd August 2007, 2:38pm)
QUOTE(LamontStormstar @ Wed 22nd August 2007, 4:13pm)
Can anyone get this info put into the wikipedia mailing list somehow?
Perhaps somebody should submit it as an article to Slashdot... there it would provoke more of a discussion (which might spread to the Wikipedia lists too) than if somebody were to try to post it to the list directly and have it immediately shot down as "attempts to repost material from an attack site written by a banned user".
Good call.
QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Wed 22nd August 2007, 9:25pm)
My eyes blurred a bit, so I'm still a bit unclear — NTBCW nuclear — as to which account came first, SlimVirgin, Slimv, Sweet Water Blue, or perhaps some other. I mean of course in the non-sanitized history of things.
Jonny
Slimv came first in late October 2004 just after Salinger died, then SlimVirgin was created I think in early November. She created the Sweet Blue Water sockpuppet possibly as a general use self-supporter, but possibly more specifically to support the September 11 FAC. What noone seems to have commented on is how GraceNote knew that Sweet Blue Water was SlimVirgin- and why did he refer to her as beautiful blue???
QUOTE(jorge @ Wed 22nd August 2007, 5:57pm)
QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Wed 22nd August 2007, 9:25pm)
My eyes blurred a bit, so I'm still a bit unclear — NTBCW nuclear — as to which account came first, SlimVirgin, Slimv, Sweet Water Blue, or perhaps some other. I mean of course in the non-sanitized history of things.
Jonny
Slimv came first in late October 2004 just after Salinger died, then SlimVirgin was created I think in early November. She created the Sweet Blue Water sockpuppet possibly as a general use self-supporter, but possibly more specifically to support the September 11 FAC. What noone seems to have commented on is how GraceNote knew that Sweet Blue Water was SlimVirgin- and why did he refer to her as beautiful blue???
Slimv dissapeared because the acct got renamed to SlimVirgin... it wasnt a secondary account.
QUOTE(jorge @ Wed 22nd August 2007, 5:57pm)
QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Wed 22nd August 2007, 9:25pm)
My eyes blurred a bit, so I'm still a bit unclear — NTBCW nuclear — as to which account came first, SlimVirgin, Slimv, Sweet Blue Water, or perhaps some other. I mean of course in the non-sanitized history of things.
Jonny
Slimv came first in late October 2004 just after Salinger died, then SlimVirgin was created I think in early November. She created the Sweet Blue Water sockpuppet possibly as a general use self-supporter, but possibly more specifically to support the September 11 FAC. What noone seems to have commented on is how GraceNote knew that Sweet Blue Water was SlimVirgin — and why did he refer to her as beautiful blue???
So this makes SlimVirgin and Sweet Blue Water the pupsockets of Slimv ??? — or do they have a canonical way of WP:WEASELING out of that ???
Jonny
This is interesting, Sweet Blue Water's old user page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=22383743
It might be interesting to compare with SlimVirgin's old User page, unfortunately all edits to her page prior to October 2006 have been deleted and are no longer accessible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=22383743
QUOTE
I'm a writer/researcher, hoping to make a positive contribution to Wikipedia. My main interest lies in current affairs, and most of my contributions are likely to consist of copy editing until I find my feet. I've lived and worked all over the world, including the U.S., Canada, the UK, Europe and the Middle East, and so I hope I've lost any nationalist, provincial perspectives I had, and that I can usefully contribute to Wikipedia's multi-national culture.
In between ideas of rightness and wrongness, there's a field. I'll meet you there — Mevlana Jalaluddin Rumi (1207-1273).
In between ideas of rightness and wrongness, there's a field. I'll meet you there — Mevlana Jalaluddin Rumi (1207-1273).
It might be interesting to compare with SlimVirgin's old User page, unfortunately all edits to her page prior to October 2006 have been deleted and are no longer accessible.
QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Wed 22nd August 2007, 11:06pm)
So this makes SlimVirgin and Sweet Blue Water the pupsockets of Slimv ??? — or do they have a canonical way of WP:WEASELING out of that ???
Jonny
Not really, she didn't hide the fact that she moved from Slimv to SlimVirgin, but she obviously did hide the fact she created the SBW account. Again, can anyone explain what I said about GraceNote knowing that SBW was SV's sock? And should we read anything into his message (or are Australians normally that friendly)?
QUOTE(Heat @ Wed 22nd August 2007, 6:09pm)
This is interesting, Sweet Blue Water's old user page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=22383743
QUOTE
I'm a writer/researcher, hoping to make a positive contribution to Wikipedia. My main interest lies in current affairs, and most of my contributions are likely to consist of copy editing until I find my feet. I've lived and worked all over the world, including the U.S., Canada, the UK, Europe and the Middle East, and so I hope I've lost any nationalist, provincial perspectives I had, and that I can usefully contribute to Wikipedia's multi-national culture.
In between ideas of rightness and wrongness, there's a field. I'll meet you there — Mevlana Jalaluddin Rumi (1207-1273).
The Rumi quote used to be featured on SlimVirgin's user page as well. Unfortunately, her pre-October 2006 User page has been deleted so you non-admin folks can't see it.
Yes, yes, already seen here, try to cache up …
Jonny
Its's pretty iffy but I think the name <addendum> Sweet Blue Water </addendum> might be from a Neruda poem.
I Remember You As You Were
I remember you as you were in the last autumn.
You were the grey beret and the still heart.
In your eyes the flames of the twilight fought on.
And the leaves fell in the water of your soul.
Clasping my arms like a climbing plant
the leaves garnered your voice, that was slow and at peace.
Bonfire of awe in which my thirst was burning.
Sweet blue hyacinth twisted over my soul.
I feel your eyes travelling, and the autumn is far off:
grey beret, voice of a bird, heart like a house
towards which my deep longings migrated
and my kisses fell, happy as embers.
Sky from a ship. Field from the hills:
Your memory is made of light, of smoke, of a still pond!
Beyond your eyes, farther on, the evenings were blazing.
Dry autumn leaves revolved in your soul.
Fits her maudlin nature.
QUOTE
I Remember You As You Were
I remember you as you were in the last autumn.
You were the grey beret and the still heart.
In your eyes the flames of the twilight fought on.
And the leaves fell in the water of your soul.
Clasping my arms like a climbing plant
the leaves garnered your voice, that was slow and at peace.
Bonfire of awe in which my thirst was burning.
Sweet blue hyacinth twisted over my soul.
I feel your eyes travelling, and the autumn is far off:
grey beret, voice of a bird, heart like a house
towards which my deep longings migrated
and my kisses fell, happy as embers.
Sky from a ship. Field from the hills:
Your memory is made of light, of smoke, of a still pond!
Beyond your eyes, farther on, the evenings were blazing.
Dry autumn leaves revolved in your soul.
Fits her maudlin nature.
QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Wed 22nd August 2007, 4:25pm)
My eyes blurred a bit, so I'm still a bit unclear — NTBCW nuclear — as to which account came first, SlimVirgin, Slimv, Sweet Water Blue, or perhaps some other. I mean of course in the non-sanitized history of things.
Jonny
1. 70.64.24.120
11/1/2004 1:04 edits Pierre Salinger (oversighted)
2. User:Slimv is created and edits:
11/02/04 00:27 Pierre Salinger (oversighted)
11/02/04 00:42 Pierre Salinger (oversighted)
11/03/04 23:45 Pierre Salinger (oversighted)
11/03/04 23:54 Pierre Salinger (oversighted)
11/05/04 00:53 Pan Am Flight 103 (oversighted)
11/05/04 00:53 Pan Am Flight 103 (oversighted)
11/05/04 00:53 Pan Am Flight 103 (oversighted)
11/05/04 00:55 Pan Am Flight 103 (oversighted)
11/05/04 01:08 Pan Am Flight 103 (oversighted)
11/05/04 01:12 Pan Am Flight 103 (oversighted)
11/05/04 06:08 Mordechai Vanunu (oversighted)
11/05/04 06:31 Robert Maxwell (oversighted)
11/05/04 06:53 Pierre Salinger (oversighted)
11/05/04 06:56 Pierre Salinger (oversighted)
11/05/04 07:02 Slimv (user page) (oversighted)
3. User:SlimVirgin is created and edits:
11/05/04 19:50 Talk:SlimVirgin
11/05/04 22:35 Pierre_Salinger (oversighted)
11/06/04 01:51 Euripides
11/06/04 01:52 Euripides
11/06/04 01:55 Talk:SlimVirgin
11/06/04 07:58 Bank of Credit and Commerce International
11/08/04 04:15 Pan Am Flight 103
(+ several thousand more)
4. User:Sweet Blue Water is created
12/29/04 10:18 User:Sweet Blue Water (first edit)
01/05/05 11:46 Palestine (21st edit...the fateful revert of Leifern)
09/02/05 02:57 User:Sweet Blue Water (27th and final edit: blanked talk page)
Hope that helps. This is a clunky way to present it. Maybe I'll do a more stylized version on ASM if others think it would be helpful.
QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Wed 22nd August 2007, 6:17pm)
Its's pretty iffy but I think the name might be from a Neruda poem.
Are you getting a different SlimVirgin user page than me ???
http://www.elise.com/quotes/quotes/rumi.htm
Found items, while looking for ∑thing else …
DYK? SlimVirgin uses a Mackintosh computer.
Jonny
QUOTE(dtobias @ Wed 22nd August 2007, 2:38pm)
QUOTE(LamontStormstar @ Wed 22nd August 2007, 4:13pm)
Can anyone get this info put into the wikipedia mailing list somehow?
Perhaps somebody should submit it as an article to Slashdot... there it would provoke more of a discussion (which might spread to the Wikipedia lists too) than if somebody were to try to post it to the list directly and have it immediately shot down as "attempts to repost material from an attack site written by a banned user".
Wordbomb's article has spawned a splendid debate on the ANI board. Wordbomb is taking his share of abuse, but despite that, I would say that this whole thing is quite a feather in his cap.
First: Wasn´t Kelly Martin de-adminned because she had the audacity to check for SlimVirgins socks? Where Slimey protested and said she did not use socks? (And Kelly is still desysoped, while Slim is still an admin.. 
)
Second: check this "copy-edit"(!)...around the time Slims name became known:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=12846582
...which just "happen" to wipe out:
"He was also involved in the ''ABC News'' documentary on the December [[1988]] bombing of [[Pan Am Flight 103]], which won an [[Emmy]] in [[1990]]."
Is that the documentary that L.M. participated in, and that Daniel B. tried to get from Syracuse Univ.? If it won an Emmy, it should be available.
If you're curious, the step by step process linking Sweet Blue Water and SlimVirgin is available to review on AntiSocialMedia.net.
Well written and persuasively documented. Question: who is Formeruser-81? This looks like someone who may have been a player in the whole affair, and had his or her user history admin-deleted.
Can´t believe you don´t know who Formeruser-81 is?? He was active together with Slim on various LaRouche-issues. AND, hmm, "Herschelkrustofsky"-issues.
But, as was mentioned above, he got hounded off WP after starting the much-hated/much-needed (according to different opinions) "Israeli apartheid" article.
)Second: check this "copy-edit"(!)...around the time Slims name became known:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=12846582
...which just "happen" to wipe out:
"He was also involved in the ''ABC News'' documentary on the December [[1988]] bombing of [[Pan Am Flight 103]], which won an [[Emmy]] in [[1990]]."
Is that the documentary that L.M. participated in, and that Daniel B. tried to get from Syracuse Univ.? If it won an Emmy, it should be available.
QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Wed 22nd August 2007, 9:04pm)
QUOTE(WordBomb @ Wed 22nd August 2007, 1:03pm)
If you're curious, the step by step process linking Sweet Blue Water and SlimVirgin is available to review on AntiSocialMedia.net.
Well written and persuasively documented. Question: who is Formeruser-81? This looks like someone who may have been a player in the whole affair, and had his or her user history admin-deleted.
Can´t believe you don´t know who Formeruser-81 is?? He was active together with Slim on various LaRouche-issues. AND, hmm, "Herschelkrustofsky"-issues.
But, as was mentioned above, he got hounded off WP after starting the much-hated/much-needed (according to different opinions) "Israeli apartheid" article.
QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Wed 22nd August 2007, 3:12pm)
QUOTE(Heat @ Wed 22nd August 2007, 6:09pm)
This is interesting, Sweet Blue Water's old user page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=22383743
QUOTE
I'm a writer/researcher, hoping to make a positive contribution to Wikipedia. My main interest lies in current affairs, and most of my contributions are likely to consist of copy editing until I find my feet. I've lived and worked all over the world, including the U.S., Canada, the UK, Europe and the Middle East, and so I hope I've lost any nationalist, provincial perspectives I had, and that I can usefully contribute to Wikipedia's multi-national culture.
In between ideas of rightness and wrongness, there's a field. I'll meet you there — Mevlana Jalaluddin Rumi (1207-1273).
The Rumi quote used to be featured on SlimVirgin's user page as well. Unfortunately, her pre-October 2006 User page has been deleted so you non-admin folks can't see it.
Yes, yes, already seen here, try to cache up …
Jonny
Weird how JzG deleted that userpage, possibly to hide it from newbies that the lead administrator on Wikipedia is actually a sockpuppeteer, typical of admins. Or they just oversee all the edits.
QUOTE(WordBomb @ Wed 22nd August 2007, 8:03pm)
If you're curious, the step by step process linking Sweet Blue Water and SlimVirgin is available to review on AntiSocialMedia.net.
The first third of the post is mostly preachy stuff about transparency and accountability that we in the Wikipedia Exile Community say here all the time. If you want to get to the money, scroll down until you see the table comparing the Salinger article's actual edit history with the edit history as it appears today.
I have incorporated these new discoveries into my article Chip Berlet, SlimVirgin, and Wikipedia, which I am trying to make a "one stop shop" for summaries of the great detective work on SlimVirgin that has been done by the members of this site. When I first wrote it, I doubted that anyone would ever read it, but now it is in the top ten for a Google search on "SlimVirgin." My thanks to those of you who linked to it. Please send suggestions for further discoveries that ought to be included, to:
berlet_archive AT yahoo.com.
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