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Infoboy
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It makes no sense whatsoever to delink an external site because some random idiot posted something mean in one of the comments. That basically gives any troll out there blanket license to have any reader participation links removed, including blogs, wikis, YouTube, Flickr, basically any Web 2.0 site, etc. I am increasingly convinced that WP:BADSITES is a nonsense policy. Hell, we shouldn't be allowed to link to Wikipedia, because lord knows all sorts of defamatory content has been posted there! --Cyde Weys 04:24, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


Who will be bold enough to modify NPA policy pages to remove the ghost of BADSITES? Both Cyde and Jimbo have now said it's a shit idea. That is from ANI right now.
GlassBeadGame
QUOTE(Infoboy @ Tue 28th August 2007, 3:05pm) *

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It makes no sense whatsoever to delink an external site because some random idiot posted something mean in one of the comments. That basically gives any troll out there blanket license to have any reader participation links removed, including blogs, wikis, YouTube, Flickr, basically any Web 2.0 site, etc. I am increasingly convinced that WP:BADSITES is a nonsense policy. Hell, we shouldn't be allowed to link to Wikipedia, because lord knows all sorts of defamatory content has been posted there! --Cyde Weys 04:24, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


Who will be bold enough to modify NPA policy pages to remove the ghost of BADSITES? Both Cyde and Jimbo have now said it's a shit idea. That is from ANI right now.


Another unexpected action by Cyde. I'm not the best person at personalities and shifting alliances of WP, so correctly if I'm wrong here. Isn't Cyde allied with Danny? Haven't heard much from Danny since he self-destructed in Foundation B/T election. Maybe Cyde is adrift without Danny or maybe Danny is about to unleash a new product roll-out.
Unrepentant Vandal
QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Tue 28th August 2007, 10:17pm) *

QUOTE(Infoboy @ Tue 28th August 2007, 3:05pm) *

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It makes no sense whatsoever to delink an external site because some random idiot posted something mean in one of the comments. That basically gives any troll out there blanket license to have any reader participation links removed, including blogs, wikis, YouTube, Flickr, basically any Web 2.0 site, etc. I am increasingly convinced that WP:BADSITES is a nonsense policy. Hell, we shouldn't be allowed to link to Wikipedia, because lord knows all sorts of defamatory content has been posted there! --Cyde Weys 04:24, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


Who will be bold enough to modify NPA policy pages to remove the ghost of BADSITES? Both Cyde and Jimbo have now said it's a shit idea. That is from ANI right now.


Another unexpected action by Cyde. I'm not the best person at personalities and shifting alliances of WP, so correctly if I'm wrong here. Isn't Cyde allied with Danny? Haven't heard much from Danny since he self-destructed in Foundation B/T election. Maybe Cyde is adrift without Danny or maybe Danny is about to unleash a new product roll-out.


Cyde is allied with his own view of what Wikipedia is, or ought to be. He also won't take any crap. There is a weird sort of integrity there imo.
Infoboy
Cyde always seems to have an ideal of a purer sort of encyclopedia, when push comes to shove. That is a noble thing, in and of itself.

But the BADSITES ghost still remains, and gets more ingrained the more sockpuppeteers like Gary Weiss/Matanmoreland, SlimVirgin/Linda Mack, and their troll gangs push it.

Wonder if Cyde will take a stand. Cyde also I believe is very close with Jimbo.
blissyu2
Can we have a link to this, and to the discussion?

Cyde seems more heroic every day.

He's quickly getting up there to the vote of best admin on Wikipedia.

If Cyde gets desysopped over this stand, he MUST post here.
Somey
QUOTE(blissyu2 @ Tue 28th August 2007, 9:56pm) *
Cyde seems more heroic every day.

He's quickly getting up there to the vote of best admin on Wikipedia.

Ehh, let's not get carried away here...

Cyde, unless something has changed drastically, is still rude, excessively quick to judge, dismissive of critics, and has almost no ability to see grey areas when assessing the ethics or morality of a situation. He may have developed a certain amount of integrity - indeed, he may have had it all along - but dictators, bullies, even blind fools can all have plenty of integrity, and it doesn't make them worth listening to.

I'm not saying he hasn't improved, though. Just don't assume too much!
GlassBeadGame
QUOTE(blissyu2 @ Tue 28th August 2007, 8:56pm) *

If Cyde gets desysopped over this stand, he MUST post here.


And pandas and penguins and koala bears, oh we must have koala bears too.
Nathan
As Somey said...

Cyde will always be Cyde, no matter what he does.
You might like him now, but eventually he will do something to piss you off. That's Cyde.
BobbyBombastic
QUOTE(blissyu2 @ Tue 28th August 2007, 10:56pm) *
Can we have a link to this, and to the discussion?

diff of cyde's comment

soon to be archived discussion

cyde's motivation here to open his eyes to BADSITES and the like is probably more driven by his personal politics than any integrity...but maybe now that he is more aware of it integrity plays a role.

QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Tue 28th August 2007, 5:17pm) *
Another unexpected action by Cyde. I'm not the best person at personalities and shifting alliances of WP, so correctly if I'm wrong here. Isn't Cyde allied with Danny?

I don't know if he is allied with Danny or not, but if he is, Cyde's actions would not be inconsistent with Danny's opinion regarding BADSITES.

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On English Wikipedia, there has been some controversy about whether it is, or ought to be, the policy that linking to so-called "attack sites" against Wikipedia and Wikipedians is to be banned. Some administrators have (overzealously, in some others' opinions) removed links to criticism sites from such places as talk pages, evidence pages for ArbCom cases, and even in a few cases from actual articles where they were being used as a source. I wrote an essay on this issue. What is your opinion? Dtobias 03:58, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

I do not believe we should censor these sites, nor do I believe that we should make them out to be more important than they really are. As such, I think that people should be able to cite them in certain very specific circumstances relating to the content that appears on them, such as an ArbCom ruling. Other than that, I see no reason why they should be included. Danny 17:50, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elect...te.22_link_bans

maybe a little bit of a vague answer on Danny's part, but overall he doesn't seem all that concerned about it and he isn't arguing for a spam blacklist addition or anything drastic.
blissyu2
I liked this comment by MarkBernstein:

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To summarize: SwatJester discovered an anonymous anti-semitic remark in comment #311 of a post on the weblog of Patricia Nielsen Hayden, a writer and science fiction editor. In response, SwatJester wants to delete all references in Wikipedia to that weblog.

If this were wikipedia policy and general practice, an editor could easily remove a link to ANY wiki, news group, forum, or other publicly-editable Web site by arranging for uncivil crticicism of a wikipedian or of wikipedia to appear as an anonymous comment. Of course, the site admins can and probably will delete the comment, but the admin can always raise the issue before the action takes place, and in some cases the Web site needs to follow procedures like Wikipedia's own.


Comment 313 in response to a blog post said something negative about Swat Jester, so Swat Jester wants the entire blog to be de-linked from Wikipedia.

Ya, good one.
Infoboy
QUOTE(blissyu2 @ Tue 28th August 2007, 11:17pm) *

Comment 313 in response to a blog post said something negative about Swat Jester, so Swat Jester wants the entire blog to be de-linked from Wikipedia.

Ya, good one.


Yes, because individual pseudoanonymous editor is more important than the integrity of the entire encyclopedia itself. Or didn't you get the memo?
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