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Kato
I know there's already been a few threads detailing a certain Yamla's antics on WP. I didn't pay a lot of attention to them myself, until I experienced the Lee Nysted Experience's er... experience on Wikipedia, where Yamla's wholly unsympathetic and unprofessional manner came to the fore.

Closer inspection reveals our administrator Yamla to be... well... a bit nuts! With a real vengeful streak lurking beneath that unpleasant exterior. ohmy.gif

Yamla's raison d'etre seems to be to wade into a dispute, accelerate it out of all proportion, and then ban a few people on his way out. Please join me in tracking the trail of destruction left by this grand master! Here's an average day in the editing life of Yamla.

6 September

Our hero, Yamla, approaches an editor called Mark Lincoln. Lincoln is a fairly benign figure, editing on various aircrufty topics, until he got into a disagreement on the Amelia Earhart talk page. Nothing spectacular here. Until Yamla turns up, decides that this is a personal attack. Then starts a pattern of warnings on Lincoln's page, including one that states:
QUOTE(Yamla)
Calling people "obstreperous" is a personal attack and ''will not be tolerated'' here. Please see [[WP:CIVIL]] and [[WP:NPA]] which you have previously been made aware of. --[[User:Yamla|Yamla]] 21:37, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Lincoln defends himself civilly before being blocked by an impatient Yamla, who's had enough of this subordinate's back-chat. Then, out of nowhere, Yamla performs his now patented attack move. He adds a "sockpuppet" template to Lincoln's page - seemingly without a scrap of evidence - leading Lincoln to remove it in a fit of pique, and demand that the record of his year at wikipedia be excised.

Lincoln wants out of the project. But now trapped, he makes an oh so familiar plea of help to the cruel outside world.
QUOTE(Lincoln)
I have repeatedly attempted to communicate with Wikipedia with a simple request. Virtually all attempts have been blocked. I am not appealing for arbitration.

And the inevitable...
QUOTE(Lincoln)
If the Wikipedia will not do this then what can I do but try to enforce the actions and stated standards of Wikipedia by taking you to court.

Yamla can now go in for the kill. He blocks Lincoln indefinitely. He also protects the page for good measure, probably smirking sadistically as he does so. Interestingly, Yamla adds this out and out falsehood on his exit from the scene.
QUOTE(Yamla)
Additionally, it is impossible for us to delete an account. Wikipedia software simply does not allow it.

And to cap off this sorry episode, Yamla has the nerve to tell Lincoln that his edits "were made with good faith and would have been valuable to the Wikipedia", as he bundles Lincoln's now limp corpse into the back of his pick-up. ohmy.gif
Derktar
What I began to see as my time on Wikipedia grew was the hyper-sensitivity that seems to pervade almost everyone there after a significant amount of time. Sometimes when you disagree with someone or call into question their work almost inevitably at some point in the dialogue someone will throw out the WP:CIVIL shortcut and take offense at what you said. Hell, I'm sure most people here have seen somewhere when someone has called someone uncivil and someone shoots back that calling them uncivil is somehow uncivil in itself.

This all makes my brain ache, I have to lie down for a spell. I'll have a look more on Yamla later.
Kato
QUOTE(Derktar @ Mon 10th September 2007, 1:35am) *

This all makes my brain ache, I have to lie down for a spell. I'll have a look more on Yamla later.

Indeed. One moment you're calling someone "obstreperous", the next you're Josef K, lost in some awful scenario. With faceless commissars like Yamla listing your supposed "crimes" all over your google resume. In poor Mark Lincoln's case, it is given additional tragic poignancy when one reads his user page introduction. Written before Yamla burst into his room that morning to frogmarch him away.
QUOTE
I am a semi-retired computer nerd with too many books and too much time. If I step on toes, sorry, I mean well.

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jdrand
I feel sorry for Lincoln. After repeated attempts to apologise (4 by email, 2 on WP), my talk page was also protected and I received no response but "I'm afraid you have lost the trust of the community" and a six month block for using World Arachny.
QUOTE(Kato @ Sun 9th September 2007, 5:27pm) *

Lincoln wants out of the project. But now trapped, he makes an oh so familiar plea of help to the cruel outside world.
QUOTE
I have repeatedly attempted to communicate with Wikipedia with a simple request. Virtually all attempts have been blocked. I am not appealing for arbitration.



I have made that plea, no one listens...
Rochelle
I'm not defending Yamla by saying this, but you all realize that you are judging this without knowing the whole story. Who knows what transpired off-wiki. Maybe nothing (of importance) happened off-wiki. But maybe something (of importance) did happen off-wiki.

Either way, I find this whole scenario kind of strange.
Unrepentant Vandal
QUOTE(Rochelle @ Mon 10th September 2007, 2:23am) *

I'm not defending Yamla by saying this, but you all realize that you are judging this without knowing the whole story. Who knows what transpired off-wiki. Maybe nothing (of importance) happened off-wiki. But maybe something (of importance) did happen off-wiki.

Either way, I find this whole scenario kind of strange.


I would usually agree with you, but believe me there's something no right about Yamla. Call it a vandal's instinct.
blissyu2
If this was the only thing that Yamla ever did, perhaps it could be justified. But lest we forget Eden Tate, Lee Nysted and of course bashing myself and Runcorn further in what were obviously false accusations. And of course there's also Opinoso and Jester777, still with regards to Nelly Furtado.

It's not just that the guy gets it wrong, its more that he never seems to get it right. Look through his logs, and you'll see him taking drastic action (deleting uploaded pictures, banning people, reverting, sock puppet accusations, protecting pages) without evidence, and ALMOST ALL OF THEM ARE WRONG. Now, I did find one that was right, and it is true that occasionally he does. But his hit ratio is woeful.

If his hit ratio was almost always right, then perhaps this drastic action could be justified. Or if these were extreme circumstances. But seriously, he is extending this to further bash people who are already indef banned, in what are hunches based on nothing, that are just plain wrong.

I default to false when I see what he has done. I assume its wrong unless I know any different. The guy has no credibility.
Joseph100
QUOTE(Kato @ Sun 9th September 2007, 6:27pm) *

I know there's already been a few threads already detailing a certain Yamla's antics on WP. I didn't pay a lot of attention to them myself, until I experienced the Lee Nysted Experience's er... experience on Wikipedia, where Yamla's wholly unsympathetic and unprofessional manner came to the fore.

Closer inspection reveals our administrator Yamla to be... well... a bit nuts! With a real vengeful streak lurking beneath that unpleasant exterior. ohmy.gif

Yamla's raison d'etre seems to be to wade into a dispute, accelerate it out of all proportion, and then ban a few people on his way out. Please join me in tracking the trail of destruction left by this grand master! Here's an average day in the editing life of Yamla.

6 September

Our hero, Yamla, approaches an editor called Mark Lincoln. Lincoln is a fairly benign figure, editing on various aircrufty topics, until he got into a disagreement on the Amelia Earhart talk page. Nothing spectacular here. Until Yamla turns up, decides that this is a personal attack. Then starts a pattern of warnings on Lincoln's page, including one that states:
QUOTE
Calling people "obstreperous" is a personal attack and ''will not be tolerated'' here. Please see [[WP:CIVIL]] and [[WP:NPA]] which you have previously been made aware of. --[[User:Yamla|Yamla]] 21:37, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Lincoln defends himself civilly before being blocked by an impatient Yamla, who's had enough of this subordinate's back-chat. Then, out of nowhere, Yamla performs his now patented attack move. He adds a "sockpuppet" template to Lincoln's page - seemingly without a scrap of evidence - leading Lincoln to remove it in a fit of pique, and demand that the record of his year at wikipedia be excised.

Lincoln wants out of the project. But now trapped, he makes an oh so familiar plea of help to the cruel outside world.
QUOTE
I have repeatedly attempted to communicate with Wikipedia with a simple request. Virtually all attempts have been blocked. I am not appealing for arbitration.

And the inevitable...
QUOTE
If the Wikipedia will not do this then what can I do but try to enforce the actions and stated standards of Wikipedia by taking you to court.

Yamla can now go in for the kill. He blocks Lincoln indefinitely. He also protects the page for good measure, probably smirking sadistically as he does so. Interestingly, Yamla adds this out and out falsehood on his exit from the scene.
QUOTE
Additionally, it is impossible for us to delete an account. Wikipedia software simply does not allow it.

And to cap off this sorry episode, Yamla has the nerve to tell Lincoln that his edits "were made with good faith and would have been valuable to the Wikipedia", as he bundles Lincoln's now limp corpse into the back of his pick-up. ohmy.gif


OR in other words, Yamla is a cowardly little jagoff.
A little man with dick worthy of a sewer rat.
Robster
QUOTE(Rochelle @ Sun 9th September 2007, 9:23pm) *

I'm not defending Yamla by saying this, but you all realize that you are judging this without knowing the whole story. Who knows what transpired off-wiki. Maybe nothing (of importance) happened off-wiki. But maybe something (of importance) did happen off-wiki.

Either way, I find this whole scenario kind of strange.


And whatever happened off-wiki matters... how?
blissyu2
No no, we are supposed to AGF (Assume Good Faith) that when Yamla says that something happened off wiki then it really happened, even though he refuses to provide any evidence.

I mean we should be assuming good faith that I needed to have my e-mail priveleges removed based on an e-mail that I sent to him, and copied over to many others, that had said nothing more than "PS you should block yourself for 24 hours for breaking 3RR on Nelly Furtado". Oh no what an abuse! Nobody else thought that that was abusive, just Yamla.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...ge=User:Zordrac

So if he got that particular "secret evidence" TOTALLY WRONG, how can we suggest that any other secret evidence is right?

Every admin on Wikipedia knows he is wrong, yet for some reason none of them have the guts to go against him, especially when he makes threats like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Zordrac

He not only needs to have it reversed, he needs to be de-sysopped, and banned. He is not adding to the project whatsoever, and is doing nothing more than to hurt people. He hurts innocent newbies and he hurts people who may have warranted some punishment, but been able to contribute positively.

Yamla creates lose-lose situations. By his being there, everyone loses out.
tarantino
Yamla's first recorded contribution on 18:41, 5 November 2004, was a minor edit to Fort McMurray, Alberta. The SlimVirgin account's first reported contribution was 19:50, 5 November 2004.

This deserves more investigation when I've got the time.
Kato
As a passionate debunker of these kinds of sockpuppet allegations, I'd normally dismiss this pretty sharply. But this new detail is actually rather good! ohmy.gif

Somebody get to the crime lab and do some tests.
blissyu2
QUOTE(tarantino @ Mon 10th September 2007, 1:31pm) *

Yamla's first recorded contribution on 18:41, 5 November 2004, was a minor edit to Fort McMurray, Alberta. The SlimVirgin account's first reported contribution was 19:50, 5 November 2004.

This deserves more investigation when I've got the time.


So hang on, Yamla could be a SlimVirgin sock puppet?

Interesting. I mean Yamla doesn't say who he is. Yamla gets things wrong one hell of a lot. Yamla has 47,500 edits.

The sheer number of edits seems to debunk that theory. But I guess that they may be working in cooperation somehow.
WhispersOfWisdom
I saw a copy of an e-mail written by Yamla and he/she signed as Chris Thompson or Chris Thomas.
I wish I knew where I saw it or who it was addressed to. I know it was at the time that he/she was lifting a ban or unprotecting the Lee Nysted user page. It may have gone through the NystedMusic account to Nyslee@msn.com or LeeNysted.com. Those archives could be anywhere. unsure.gif
blissyu2
Yeah I mean just because the accounts were started at the same time in itself isn't really enough. The problem with SlimVirgin being Yamla is that they are both heavy users, and there's no way someone could be doing both.
jdrand
Especially when Crum375 is SV.

Yamla could be a Jimbo relative and the Tyrants might all be Kimberly Ashton, revealing personal information of a real person that is not them, and are really all Jimbo's relatives, SV's relatives, and the like.
Jonny Cache
Lal Chand Yamla Jat

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Daniel Brandt
This looks like him/her/it. It states on various talk pages that it lives in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.
everyking
Well, this looks like grave abuse to me. What Mark said was nowhere near the level of incivility that would warrant a block, and through his mistreatment Yamla goaded him into going off the deep end about it, providing the perfect excuse (a legal threat) to block him indefinitely.
blissyu2
Well, SlimVirgin is a female, and we know her identity. Is it possible that she could be Yamla? I think that the biggest reason why its not is because Yamla has 45,000 edits, and SlimVirgin has many as well. How fast is SlimVirgin's typing?

Anyway, regardless of whether that is true, Yamla seems to be quite wrong on quite a lot of occasions.
tarantino
QUOTE
Yeah I mean just because the accounts were started at the same time in itself isn't really enough. The problem with SlimVirgin being Yamla is that they are both heavy users, and there's no way someone could be doing both.


Sometimes a coincidence is just a coincidence. Two abusive Canadian admins whose first post was a hour apart 3 years ago could be a coincidence.

QUOTE
I saw a copy of an e-mail written by Yamla and he/she signed as Chris Thompson or Chris Thomas.


That's right. See Yamla at slashdot or this talk page. His email is chris at hypocrite dot org. He lives in Edmonton.
blissyu2
Perhaps they are friends with each other.

A lot of people have said this:

"SlimVirgin has no real computer knowledge. She fucks up all of the time. How can she be a spy if she doesn't even know the basics of computer hacking?"

But if Yamla is also working alongside her, he could be her "Go to man" for all of her computer issues. He could have set up the complicated computer system for her.

Then Yamla wouldn't want to have any connection between himself and SlimVirgin.

Now I am not saying that this is true, because it all sounds a bit far fetched, but it does provide a possible answer for part of the problem of how SlimVirgin could be a spy if she doesn't have the requisite computer knowledge.

Perhaps Yamla is helping her out in that regards. Who knows. Perhaps Yamla is her contact.
Daniel Brandt
yamla == chris (second box from top)

User info for yamla

Registration for hypocrite.org

Christopher Thompson, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, born: 1973-09-01

résumé

birthdate confirmation

Still need a pic.
Jonny Cache
As I suspected, it's all about quilting

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blissyu2
Okay so there is no doubt that Yamla and SlimVirgin ARE NOT THE SAME PERSON. Let's just confirm that. They have different histories, too many edits, both confirmed with real life identities that are different to each other.

However, they both live in the same town, both logged in to Wikipedia at the same time, and both became prolific editors. This is too much of a coincidence.

So the likelihood is that they know each other in real life.

And, given what we know about SlimVirgin, it is reasonable to suggest that Yamla is probably involved in that kind of thing as well. After all, SlimVirgin wouldn't be working alone.

Perhaps all that Yamla did was to set up SlimVirgin's computer for her, to protect her identity and such. Perhaps he did more than that. Who knows.

Perhaps Yamla is working for a foreign agency too.
Daniel Brandt
Didn't Maxwell Smart enter the cone of silence through a dry-cleaning storefront? Sounds rather close to quilting to me. I bet we'll soon find that damn poodle pissing on a fire hydrant outside.
blissyu2
It also helps to answer the question about Jayjg. Nobody has seriously suggested that Jayjg is a spy, yet he helps SlimVirgin out. Why? She wouldn't be doing it alone, and she would have an accomplice, but why have an accomplice that has nowhere near the same motivations?

Unless Jayjg is a patsy, and that SlimVirgin plus perhaps Yamla are using Jayjg to achieve their ends. And that Jayjg is nothing more than a "Knight in shining armour" who is being manipulated by SlimVirgin to do her bidding.

You look at the difference between how Jayjg reacts and how Yamla reacts. There is a degree of difference. It is believable that Yamla is a spy, but its not believable that Jayjg is.
Jonny Cache
I thought SlimVirgin was Saskwatch, er, Saskatooney ???

Jonny cool.gif
blissyu2
Also, the way that Yamla reacted to my unblock request and my very innocent e-mail towards him was irrational to the extreme. Why was he doing it? We had never even met before. Sure he is a big time power tripper, but he hadn't even heard of me before. So why do it? Why act like that? Its not like I am famous or well known or anything. I barely used Wikipedia. Yet he seemed to instinctively know all about me, while nobody else did, and indeed while everyone else was opposing him.

That suggests that Yamla knows SlimVirgin. SlimVirgin would have reacted in that way, and indeed nobody else would have. So perhaps Yamla did that after SlimVirgin told him to, or they called each other or something.
jdrand
QUOTE(blissyu2 @ Sun 9th September 2007, 11:01pm) *

Okay so there is no doubt that Yamla and SlimVirgin ARE NOT THE SAME PERSON. Let's just confirm that. They have different histories, too many edits, both confirmed with real life identities that are different to each other.

However, they both live in the same town, both logged in to Wikipedia at the same time, and both became prolific editors. This is too much of a coincidence.

So the likelihood is that they know each other in real life.

And, given what we know about SlimVirgin, it is reasonable to suggest that Yamla is probably involved in that kind of thing as well. After all, SlimVirgin wouldn't be working alone.

Perhaps all that Yamla did was to set up SlimVirgin's computer for her, to protect her identity and such. Perhaps he did more than that. Who knows.

Perhaps Yamla is working for a foreign agency too.


I thought so! They are friends!

Can you send an email to Drini on meta.wikimedia.org, and request a checkuser on Crum375 and SlimVirgin, asking if they are the same?

QUOTE(blissyu2 @ Sun 9th September 2007, 11:04pm) *

It also helps to answer the question about Jayjg. Nobody has seriously suggested that Jayjg is a spy, yet he helps SlimVirgin out. Why? She wouldn't be doing it alone, and she would have an accomplice, but why have an accomplice that has nowhere near the same motivations?

Unless Jayjg is a patsy, and that SlimVirgin plus perhaps Yamla are using Jayjg to achieve their ends. And that Jayjg is nothing more than a "Knight in shining armour" who is being manipulated by SlimVirgin to do her bidding.

You look at the difference between how Jayjg reacts and how Yamla reacts. There is a degree of difference. It is believable that Yamla is a spy, but its not believable that Jayjg is.

Quite interesting.
Eighth comment reads ...Jayjg aka Andrew Blum. Real, myth, or unknown?
guy
QUOTE(blissyu2 @ Mon 10th September 2007, 7:01am) *

Okay so there is no doubt that Yamla and SlimVirgin ARE NOT THE SAME PERSON.

However, they are living in Canada in very similar ways. What a pity it's not England - that would be grounds for blocking both of them.
Kato
QUOTE(blissyu2 @ Mon 10th September 2007, 7:01am) *

Perhaps all that Yamla did was to set up SlimVirgin's computer for her, to protect her identity and such. Perhaps he did more than that. Who knows.

Perhaps Yamla is working for a foreign agency too.

QUOTE(blissyu2 @ Mon 10th September 2007, 6:42am) *

Now I am not saying that this is true, because it all sounds a bit far fetched, but it does provide a possible answer for part of the problem of how SlimVirgin could be a spy if she doesn't have the requisite computer knowledge.

Perhaps Yamla is helping her out in that regards. Who knows. Perhaps Yamla is her contact.

QUOTE(blissyu2 @ Mon 10th September 2007, 7:04am) *

Unless Jayjg is a patsy, and that SlimVirgin plus perhaps Yamla are using Jayjg to achieve their ends. And that Jayjg is nothing more than a "Knight in shining armour" who is being manipulated by SlimVirgin to do her bidding.

You look at the difference between how Jayjg reacts and how Yamla reacts. There is a degree of difference. It is believable that Yamla is a spy, but its not believable that Jayjg is.

QUOTE(jdrand @ Mon 10th September 2007, 9:53am) *

Can you send an email to Drini on meta.wikimedia.org, and request a checkuser on Crum375 and SlimVirgin, asking if they are the same?

QUOTE(jdrand @ Mon 10th September 2007, 9:53am) *

Eighth comment reads ...Jayjg aka Andrew Blum. Real, myth, or unknown?

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Unrepentant Vandal
Over a million people live in the Edenton area. We can't conclude anything at all from that.

And they're not "living in the same way" as you know who.
blissyu2
Similarities:

1) Both signed up to Wikipedia within 2 hours of each other - 3 1/2 years ago - and continue to edit
2) Both live in the same town
3) Both have administrator access (less than 1% of people have it)
4) Both have ridiculous amounts of edits
5) Both use Wikipedia virtually the entire day, every day, for the past 3 1/2 years
6) Both are constantly "investigating" other users
7) Both get it wrong one hell of a lot with their investigations
8) Neither get reversed very much
9) Other administrators are somewhat scared of both of them

Differences:

1) Yamla is male, SlimVirgin is female
2) Yamla's real life identity is somewhat easier to uncover than SlimVirgin's
3) Yamla is good with computers, SlimVirgin is not
4) SlimVirgin edits animal rights and terrorism articles, Yamla edits fan-site articles and goodness only knows what else
5) Yamla does everything himself, SlimVirgin plays victim a lot

If you can consider that all of the similarities are coincidences, and that they have nothing to do with each other, then fine and good. But there are far too many similarities for my liking, and I can't conclude anything other than them being related to each other in real life. Even if they hadn't met pre-Wikipedia, their personalities are too similar and they would have met once Wikipedia began. But the time stamps of when they started suggest that they knew each other the whole time.

Or does someone have a better explanation?

And stop with the stupid whinges please.
Cedric
Does not all of this beg the question: What the hell is it about Alberta that makes people so damned disagreeable?

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ALBERTA


What the fuck are you lookin' at, Montana?

Don't make me ban your ass! I'll do it!
Unrepentant Vandal
QUOTE(blissyu2 @ Mon 10th September 2007, 3:48pm) *

Similarities:

1) Both signed up to Wikipedia within 2 hours of each other - 3 1/2 years ago - and continue to edit
2) Both live in the same town
3) Both have administrator access (less than 1% of people have it)
4) Both have ridiculous amounts of edits
5) Both use Wikipedia virtually the entire day, every day, for the past 3 1/2 years
6) Both are constantly "investigating" other users
7) Both get it wrong one hell of a lot with their investigations
8) Neither get reversed very much
9) Other administrators are somewhat scared of both of them

Differences:

1) Yamla is male, SlimVirgin is female
2) Yamla's real life identity is somewhat easier to uncover than SlimVirgin's
3) Yamla is good with computers, SlimVirgin is not
4) SlimVirgin edits animal rights and terrorism articles, Yamla edits fan-site articles and goodness only knows what else
5) Yamla does everything himself, SlimVirgin plays victim a lot

If you can consider that all of the similarities are coincidences, and that they have nothing to do with each other, then fine and good. But there are far too many similarities for my liking, and I can't conclude anything other than them being related to each other in real life. Even if they hadn't met pre-Wikipedia, their personalities are too similar and they would have met once Wikipedia began. But the time stamps of when they started suggest that they knew each other the whole time.

Or does someone have a better explanation?

And stop with the stupid whinges please.


Blissy, my understanding is that you're a lot better at maths than me, so I assume you know some statistics.

Let's make an assumption that 90% of "serious" contributors to en-wiki are from GB and her former colonies. So around 350-400 million people. There's about 2000 admins, so you expect 2-8 per million people. And most Wikipedians who are admins joined in about 2004-2006. If one is an admin on Wikipedia, points 4 through 8 can be taken as a given, so we can discount them. I'm not seeing any special link there.

And don't forget Slimvirgin was on Wikipedia before creating the Slimvirgin account...
Daniel Brandt
QUOTE(blissyu2 @ Mon 10th September 2007, 8:48am) *

2) Both live in the same town

They are not in the same town. Slim is in Alberta or Saskatchewan. The Alberta comes from the Swalwell, Alberta on her domain registration. Swalwell is in the Calgary area, which is about 180 miles from Edmonton as the broomstick flies. The Saskatchewan is from the "ss.shawcable" in her IP address, which means Saskatoon. We don't know where she is, or if it's a case of split personality.

It's possible that Shaw's reverse lookups are all screwed up, which happens if they fail to report changes in IP block assignments to in-addr.arpa. But generally, cg.shawcable.ca would indicate Calgary, and ed.shawcable.ca would indicate Edmonton. If they don't keep up with their reporting, you'd think their customers would complain.

I found a Facebook pic for Yamla. I think this is the same as the second from left, top row ("Nice People") here. Yamla describes this pic on his website as one taken at his house party, August 1999, and a pic of nine of the twelve people called Chris.

Just guessing, but he doesn't seem like Slim's type.
WhispersOfWisdom
biggrin.gif I am closing my booth door and laughing so hard that I nearly fell into my system here in the studio.

It is so absolutely awesome and inspiring to witness what you guys can do with a computer.

I will never try to start learning about all of this. You will forget in a day what I would learn over the course of the next several years, if I am blessed with the time. What a riot!

Let the world see who is running Wikipedia. OMG! lols! ohmy.gif
LamontStormstar
QUOTE(blissyu2 @ Mon 10th September 2007, 7:48am) *

Similarities:

1) Both signed up to Wikipedia within 2 hours of each other - 3 1/2 years ago - and continue to edit
2) Both live in the same town
3) Both have administrator access (less than 1% of people have it)
4) Both have ridiculous amounts of edits
5) Both use Wikipedia virtually the entire day, every day, for the past 3 1/2 years
6) Both are constantly "investigating" other users
7) Both get it wrong one hell of a lot with their investigations
8) Neither get reversed very much
9) Other administrators are somewhat scared of both of them

Differences:

1) Yamla is male, SlimVirgin is female
2) Yamla's real life identity is somewhat easier to uncover than SlimVirgin's
3) Yamla is good with computers, SlimVirgin is not
4) SlimVirgin edits animal rights and terrorism articles, Yamla edits fan-site articles and goodness only knows what else
5) Yamla does everything himself, SlimVirgin plays victim a lot

If you can consider that all of the similarities are coincidences, and that they have nothing to do with each other, then fine and good. But there are far too many similarities for my liking, and I can't conclude anything other than them being related to each other in real life. Even if they hadn't met pre-Wikipedia, their personalities are too similar and they would have met once Wikipedia began. But the time stamps of when they started suggest that they knew each other the whole time.

Or does someone have a better explanation?

And stop with the stupid whinges please.


Well the signed up within 2 hours ago combined with all this means they know each other in real life. Maybe even live together.
Daniel Brandt
QUOTE(LamontStormstar @ Mon 10th September 2007, 10:24am) *

Well the signed up within 2 hours ago combined with all this means they know each other in real life. Maybe even live together.

Or maybe there was an article about Wikipedia online somewhere around that time, and they both read it and were interested enough to check it out independently.
Unrepentant Vandal
QUOTE(LamontStormstar @ Mon 10th September 2007, 5:24pm) *

Well the signed up within 2 hours ago combined with all this means they know each other in real life. Maybe even live together.


It doesn't mean that at all. Not even close. Don't forget SV had an earlier account, SlimV.

There is no reason to believe anything from the timinings. Of course, there is no evidence that they do not know each other, but you really have not overturned the null hypothethis (guy will correct me on how I made this language, perhaps.)
guy
QUOTE(Unrepentant Vandal @ Mon 10th September 2007, 6:34pm) *

but you really have not overturned the null hypothethis (guy will correct me on how I made this language, perhaps.)

Sorry, I have no idea what a hypothethis is. Oh, you mean the other guy!
Yehudi
So, let's get this straight, Mr. Unrepentant Vandal Caballist. You will do anything to discredit Poetlister because you're a poodle of the Cabal who don't like her. You will spout any amount of ludicrous nonsense, and all the evidence in the world to refute you won't make you shut up. On the other hand, you will do anything to protect the good name of SlimeVirgin, and you reject all evidence however strong of her malfeasance.

Incidentally, since you and Poetlister seem to be the only people here who understand statistics, you must be Poetlister. Right? Right! Now prove you're not, and if you can't, then shut up and give us all relief from your blethering. Thank you.

Oh, and obviously I'm Poetlister too.
blissyu2
Okay well can we get back to focusing on what Yamla is doing wrong? Regardless of who he is, he is getting it wrong a lot. Sorry if I don't know geography of Canada, and thought that Alberta was a small town.
Nathan
Off-topic: Alberta would be a pretty big small town! Google Maps is very handy for that. wink.gif
blissyu2
Well I've had people ask me if I know someone else from Australia, assuming that Australia is tiny, when its the size of the USA and Canada (roughly).
Unrepentant Vandal
QUOTE(blissyu2 @ Tue 11th September 2007, 1:22am) *

Well I've had people ask me if I know someone else from Australia, assuming that Australia is tiny, when its the size of the USA and Canada (roughly).


Yup, but not population wise wink.gif

I must admit I hadn't heard of edmenton either, but I looked it up (on Wikipedia, no less biggrin.gif) to check. Obviously if it were a small hamlet or something then this would bear further investigation... although as Slimvirgin doesn't come from there either then, er, it doesn't.

Yehudi, piss off.
blissyu2
Population wise Australia is comparable with Canada (a bit smaller, but not THAT much), but miles smaller than USA. But just the same, you are hardly likely to know everyone in the country when they live that far away from each other.

I mean the likelihood of 2 people knowing each other in New York City for example is much higher than the likelihood of 2 people knowing each other in different ends of the whole of Australia. Similar population, sure, but way different in terms of how difficult it is to find them. Not that it'd be easy for 2 people in NYC to find each other anyway, unless they were looking.

Anyway, perhaps we should go back to before Tarantino suggested that Yamla and SlimVirgin were related (remember that he started it, not me, so don't blame me for it). And focus on his abusive behaviour.
Unrepentant Vandal
QUOTE(blissyu2 @ Tue 11th September 2007, 12:43pm) *

Population wise Australia is comparable with Canada (a bit smaller, but not THAT much), but miles smaller than USA. But just the same, you are hardly likely to know everyone in the country when they live that far away from each other.

I mean the likelihood of 2 people knowing each other in New York City for example is much higher than the likelihood of 2 people knowing each other in different ends of the whole of Australia. Similar population, sure, but way different in terms of how difficult it is to find them. Not that it'd be easy for 2 people in NYC to find each other anyway, unless they were looking.

Anyway, perhaps we should go back to before Tarantino suggested that Yamla and SlimVirgin were related (remember that he started it, not me, so don't blame me for it). And focus on his abusive behaviour.


I'd be all for that, but it may be an idea to start a new thread when something else comes up?
Chris Croy
QUOTE(Daniel Brandt @ Mon 10th September 2007, 8:39am) *

QUOTE(LamontStormstar @ Mon 10th September 2007, 10:24am) *

Well the signed up within 2 hours ago combined with all this means they know each other in real life. Maybe even live together.

Or maybe there was an article about Wikipedia online somewhere around that time, and they both read it and were interested enough to check it out independently.

I decided to see if Brant's hunch was right and did a search. There were significant write-ups about Wikipedia in the New York Times and Newsweek in the preceeding week. Specifically, the Newsweek article was published on the 5th. You can probably add to your dossier "Both have subscriptions to newsweek or regularly buy it from news stands".

None of that matters. The real issue is that Brandt is the voice of reason around here. What the fuck?
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