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tarantino
Two hours after "aplogizing" on Jimbo's talk page, Jaranda/JBeach56 got her sysop powers back.
GlassBeadGame
QUOTE(tarantino @ Fri 19th October 2007, 8:55am) *

Two hours after "aplogizing" on Jimbo's talk page, Jaranda/JBeach56 got her sysop powers back.


Oh well maybe next time, Jaranda. Feel free to drop in for the drama, but your welcome to stay for the critique.
blissyu2
This time at least when the sysop powers were changed, it said it was Jaranda.

What's the point in changing names if everyone knows who you are?
jorge
QUOTE(tarantino @ Fri 19th October 2007, 3:55pm) *

Two hours after "aplogizing" on Jimbo's talk page, Jaranda/JBeach56 got her sysop powers back.

Isn't Jaranda a he (Jorge?).
Jaranda
I got an email exposing who I was, my new account was too obvious, so I decided to tell the truth, and get my tools back. People almost never quit the project anyways, i know alot of editors who are under new accounts.

and im a he
guy
QUOTE(jorge @ Fri 19th October 2007, 7:59pm) *

Isn't Jaranda a he (Jorge?).

Yes, Jorge. And the resysop message said so.

Incidentally, what evidence was needed to prove that it was the same account?
blissyu2
QUOTE(guy @ Sat 20th October 2007, 7:02am) *

QUOTE(jorge @ Fri 19th October 2007, 7:59pm) *

Isn't Jaranda a he (Jorge?).

Yes, Jorge. And the resysop message said so.

Incidentally, what evidence was needed to prove that it was the same account?


Raul said so while resysopping him:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...User%3AJbeach56

Not to mention that they admit it themselves on their user page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jbeach56
Jaranda
and the wonders of IRC as well
blissyu2
And Jaranda is a user here, so its unlikely that this is going to be a big deal.
everyking
This is completely outrageous. Have they forgotten that Jaranda went out with an act of vandalism? Do they have any concerns whatsoever about a person with so little foresight and such a propensity towards overreacting? I figured he'd come back and get the tools back until I saw the vandalism; then I figured there's no way they'd be so irresponsible as to resysop him after that, but I was wrong. It's simply shameful. Jaranda used his admin tools to vandalize, and he is given the tools back on request.
blissyu2
What vandalism?
everyking
QUOTE(blissyu2 @ Sat 20th October 2007, 12:14am) *

What vandalism?


He deleted the Mzoli's Meats article to ensure that he would be desysopped.
Aloft
QUOTE(blissyu2 @ Fri 19th October 2007, 11:14pm) *

What vandalism?
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...Mzoli%27s_Meats

20:36, September 19, 2007 Jaranda (Talk | contribs) deleted "Mzoli's Meats" ‎ (to make sure I get desyropped)
blissyu2
Okay, so Jaranda deleted an article that shouldn't have been deleted just so that he would get desysopped because he didn't want to be a sysop on a project that he didn't support.

He then quit, and was no longer a sysop.

Then he apologised, and was reinstated.

Now I don't know about anyone else, but I think that sometimes you need to try to prove a point. Sometimes people just don't get it unless you make things really clear. And sometimes that WP:POINT rule is manipulated just to try to make sure that the whole point you were trying to make is twisted around against you. Indeed, I have to question whether WP:POINT is ever a valid rule.

Should Jaranda be reinstated as a sysop? Probably not. But then again, it probably doesn't hurt to have him back.
michael
Well, I must say, this did catch me completely off guard. I didn't think Jaranda was coming back after his last flourish.
Piperdown
QUOTE(michael @ Sat 20th October 2007, 12:05am) *

Well, I must say, this did catch me completely off guard. I didn't think Jaranda was coming back after his last flourish.


who was it that said that, on WP, submission is more important than truth?
GlassBeadGame
I'm interested in Jaranda reasons for apologizing. He expressed a good deal of resistance and resolve in his posting here. I don't see where he over-reacted. I know quiting and unquiting is a pretty common occurrence on WP. Maybe Jaranda can explain what happened?
Jaranda
I only apologized for deleting the article, that's because I acted like a fool, jimbo should apologize as well, even though i doubt he will, i'm avoiding jimbo anyways and I still don't think he's a good leader for the project, he lost his touch with the community and doesn't know ANYTHING what is going on in there.
everyking
QUOTE(Jaranda @ Sat 20th October 2007, 3:17am) *

I only apologized for deleting the article, that's because I acted like a fool, jimbo should apologize as well, even though i doubt he will, i'm avoiding jimbo anyways and I still don't think he's a good leader for the project, he lost his touch with the community and doesn't know ANYTHING what is going on in there.


Credit is due for the apology. However, I think that the nature of your departure was such that you should undergo a new RfA.
Viridae
QUOTE(Jaranda @ Sat 20th October 2007, 12:17pm) *

I only apologized for deleting the article, that's because I acted like a fool, jimbo should apologize as well, even though i doubt he will, i'm avoiding jimbo anyways and I still don't think he's a good leader for the project, he lost his touch with the community and doesn't know ANYTHING what is going on in there.


Completely agree with that one.
Casliber
Nup. I'm happy for jaranda/jbeach56 to be resysopped. Has 3 FAs and is a no brainer to be resysopped. The dig at the page deletion is no less acrimonious than stuff done many other sysops which hasn't led to major repercussions.
Cas Liber
everyking
QUOTE(Casliber @ Sat 20th October 2007, 9:25am) *

Nup. I'm happy for jaranda/jbeach56 to be resysopped. Has 3 FAs and is a no brainer to be resysopped. The dig at the page deletion is no less acrimonious than stuff done many other sysops which hasn't led to major repercussions.
Cas Liber


Any admin who has abused his or her power to delete an article under AfD discussion in explicit defiance of the process should be desysopped, absolutely. If it has happened before and hasn't led to major repercussions, then that is a major problem. The worst quality an admin can have is an unwillingness to respect community processes and decisions, and that's what Jaranda displayed here.
Alex
QUOTE(Casliber @ Sat 20th October 2007, 9:25am) *

Nup. I'm happy for jaranda/jbeach56 to be resysopped. Has 3 FAs and is a no brainer to be resysopped.


I disagree. His reconfimation RFA only barely passed, and when I switched to oppose, Jaranda PM'd me and begged me to switch back, promising he'd never ask for his tools to be removed again. I think his sysop/desysop must be a record on Wikipedia. He passed on his 7th RFA (a record in itself) in July 2006. Resigned a month later. Became an admin again in later that month (August), then resigned again in October. Resysopped in November, then a nice long break before removing them in June. Had a reconfirmation RFA that barely passed, a month later, then resigned for the fourth time in September. Now he's an admin again, on another account. Frankly, I find it ridiculous. This should be a case of the stewards either refusing the desysop request in the first place, or if he goes mad, never ever let him be an admin again. I personally find it an abuse of the process. Jaranda/Jbeach56, next time, JUST LEAVE! Don't ask to be desysopped every single time.

The question I still ask though is, when will he resign again? blink.gif
Jaranda
QUOTE(Alex @ Sat 20th October 2007, 4:34pm) *

QUOTE(Casliber @ Sat 20th October 2007, 9:25am) *

Nup. I'm happy for jaranda/jbeach56 to be resysopped. Has 3 FAs and is a no brainer to be resysopped.


I disagree. His reconfimation RFA only barely passed, and when I switched to oppose, Jaranda PM'd me and begged me to switch back, promising he'd never ask for his tools to be removed again. I think his sysop/desysop must be a record on Wikipedia. He passed on his 7th RFA (a record in itself) in July 2006. Resigned a month later. Became an admin again in later that month (August), then resigned again in October. Resysopped in November, then a nice long break before removing them in June. Had a reconfirmation RFA that barely passed, a month later, then resigned for the fourth time in September. Now he's an admin again, on another account. Frankly, I find it ridiculous. This should be a case of the stewards either refusing the desysop request in the first place, or if he goes mad, never ever let him be an admin again. I personally find it an abuse of the process. Jaranda/Jbeach56, next time, JUST LEAVE! Don't ask to be desysopped every single time.

The question I still ask though is, when will he resign again? blink.gif


I'm only in the project now because of veropedia, if you don't want me to become an admin (I know who you are) Take it to ARBCOM then, I never fucking abused my tools, I barely passed my reconfirmation request because "abuse" of process,.
Piperdown
QUOTE(Jaranda @ Sat 20th October 2007, 2:17am) *

I only apologized for deleting the article, that's because I acted like a fool, jimbo should apologize as well, even though i doubt he will, i'm avoiding jimbo anyways and I still don't think he's a good leader for the project, he lost his touch with the community and doesn't know ANYTHING what is going on in there.


what good is a "community" when it is rife with sockpuppets? What good is "community" and "consensus" when editing disputes are "settled" when 3 socks of the same person bully another person via "consensus" into the socks' POV on an article? a POV that is shared by a complicit admin who has no problems with the sock shows?

if I hear "community" one more time in regards to what WP's top priorities should be, I'm going to JzG all over my supper
Alex
QUOTE(Jaranda @ Sat 20th October 2007, 9:59pm) *

I'm only in the project now because of veropedia, if you don't want me to become an admin (I know who you are) Take it to ARBCOM then, I never fucking abused my tools, I barely passed my reconfirmation request because "abuse" of process,.


You clearly did abuse your tools - you knowingly deleted an article in order to get yourself desysopped. I don't suppose you'll abuse your tools... I'm just tired of seeing you sysopped/desysopped so often (yes, it's only been 5 times, that's still a lot). And I'm not going anywhere near ArbCom, thanks... ohmy.gif
blissyu2
In the grand scheme of things WGAS (who gives a shit).

Ultimately, how does it hurt the world as a whole, either way?
Ultimately, where is the fairness in any community?
Ultimately, how does it hurt any of you?
jorge
QUOTE(Piperdown @ Sat 20th October 2007, 10:04pm) *

QUOTE(Jaranda @ Sat 20th October 2007, 2:17am) *

I only apologized for deleting the article, that's because I acted like a fool, jimbo should apologize as well, even though i doubt he will, i'm avoiding jimbo anyways and I still don't think he's a good leader for the project, he lost his touch with the community and doesn't know ANYTHING what is going on in there.


what good is a "community" when it is rife with sockpuppets? What good is "community" and "consensus" when editing disputes are "settled" when 3 socks of the same person bully another person via "consensus" into the socks' POV on an article? a POV that is shared by a complicit admin who has no problems with the sock shows?

if I hear "community" one more time in regards to what WP's top priorities should be, I'm going to JzG all over my supper

I wonder if anyone has done an experiment to see how many sock puppets that could get away with, and how many articles they could control before being found out?
Piperdown
QUOTE(jorge @ Sat 20th October 2007, 9:46pm) *

QUOTE(Piperdown @ Sat 20th October 2007, 10:04pm) *

QUOTE(Jaranda @ Sat 20th October 2007, 2:17am) *

I only apologized for deleting the article, that's because I acted like a fool, jimbo should apologize as well, even though i doubt he will, i'm avoiding jimbo anyways and I still don't think he's a good leader for the project, he lost his touch with the community and doesn't know ANYTHING what is going on in there.


what good is a "community" when it is rife with sockpuppets? What good is "community" and "consensus" when editing disputes are "settled" when 3 socks of the same person bully another person via "consensus" into the socks' POV on an article? a POV that is shared by a complicit admin who has no problems with the sock shows?

if I hear "community" one more time in regards to what WP's top priorities should be, I'm going to JzG all over my supper

I wonder if anyone has done an experiment to see how many sock puppets that could get away with, and how many articles they could control before being found out?


yeah, weiss has.
jorge
QUOTE(Piperdown @ Sat 20th October 2007, 10:47pm) *

QUOTE(jorge @ Sat 20th October 2007, 9:46pm) *

QUOTE(Piperdown @ Sat 20th October 2007, 10:04pm) *

QUOTE(Jaranda @ Sat 20th October 2007, 2:17am) *

I only apologized for deleting the article, that's because I acted like a fool, jimbo should apologize as well, even though i doubt he will, i'm avoiding jimbo anyways and I still don't think he's a good leader for the project, he lost his touch with the community and doesn't know ANYTHING what is going on in there.


what good is a "community" when it is rife with sockpuppets? What good is "community" and "consensus" when editing disputes are "settled" when 3 socks of the same person bully another person via "consensus" into the socks' POV on an article? a POV that is shared by a complicit admin who has no problems with the sock shows?

if I hear "community" one more time in regards to what WP's top priorities should be, I'm going to JzG all over my supper

I wonder if anyone has done an experiment to see how many sock puppets that could get away with, and how many articles they could control before being found out?


yeah, weiss has.

And he was found out and allowed to carry on, carry on..... dry.gif
GlassBeadGame
QUOTE(Jaranda @ Sat 20th October 2007, 2:59pm) *

QUOTE(Alex @ Sat 20th October 2007, 4:34pm) *

QUOTE(Casliber @ Sat 20th October 2007, 9:25am) *

Nup. I'm happy for jaranda/jbeach56 to be resysopped. Has 3 FAs and is a no brainer to be resysopped.


I disagree. His reconfimation RFA only barely passed, and when I switched to oppose, Jaranda PM'd me and begged me to switch back, promising he'd never ask for his tools to be removed again. I think his sysop/desysop must be a record on Wikipedia. He passed on his 7th RFA (a record in itself) in July 2006. Resigned a month later. Became an admin again in later that month (August), then resigned again in October. Resysopped in November, then a nice long break before removing them in June. Had a reconfirmation RFA that barely passed, a month later, then resigned for the fourth time in September. Now he's an admin again, on another account. Frankly, I find it ridiculous. This should be a case of the stewards either refusing the desysop request in the first place, or if he goes mad, never ever let him be an admin again. I personally find it an abuse of the process. Jaranda/Jbeach56, next time, JUST LEAVE! Don't ask to be desysopped every single time.

The question I still ask though is, when will he resign again? blink.gif


I'm only in the project now because of veropedia, if you don't want me to become an admin (I know who you are) Take it to ARBCOM then, I never fucking abused my tools, I barely passed my reconfirmation request because "abuse" of process,.


I think you're all asking the wrong question. What I want to know is when will Jaranda tell WP to piss off for good? Maybe after he endures the next round of "community" discussion about his worthiness.
Jaranda
QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Sat 20th October 2007, 4:16pm) *


I think you're all asking the wrong question. What I want to know is when will Jaranda tell WP to piss off for good? Maybe after he endures the next round of "community" discussion about his worthiness.


I'm doing mostly quality article writing now, fuck drama.


Note: fixed quote, GBG
GlassBeadGame
QUOTE(Jaranda @ Sat 20th October 2007, 4:20pm) *

QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Sat 20th October 2007, 4:16pm) *


I think you're all asking the wrong question. What I want to know is when will Jaranda tell WP to piss off for good? Maybe after he endures the next round of "community" discussion about his worthiness.

I'm doing mostly quality article writing now, fuck drama.


Just watch out drama doesn't fuck you.

Note: fixed quote GBG
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