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By HERB KEINON In an acknowledgement of the importance that the Internet encyclopedia Wikipedia has in shaping opinion, the Foreign Ministry is bringing one ...


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Disillusioned Lackey
Dear God, let this not be Durova. I don't even want to look. ph34r.gif
Cedric
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Leading Wikipedia editor to visit Israel
Jerusalem Post, Israel -39 minutes ago
By HERB KEINON In an acknowledgement of the importance that the Internet encyclopedia Wikipedia has in shaping opinion, the Foreign Ministry is bringing one ...
Dear God, let this not be Durova. I don't even want to look. ph34r.gif

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No such luck. Not Jayjg, either. It's this guy, a professional photographer who also fancies himself to be a journalist.
guy
What's the Israel News Agency doing?
Disillusioned Lackey
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I've driven a motorcycle across Cuba, been a paparazzo in New York, worked at Enron in London, skydived over Italy and camped in the Amazon basin for a week to get over an intense fear of insects; it didn't work. I saw death on that trip. It's not the first time: I found a suicide in the woods on New Year's when I was 13 (a boy my age named Mike Drinkwater). By serendipity I found out why he did it. I live in the East Village y hablo Español. I have a scar on my face and a tattoo on my shoulder.
Christ. He's the female Durova.

Another Wikipedia media whore. Just what the world needs.

Oh, and David? Having worked at the most salient example of financial corruption in our history (Enron) is nothing to crow about.
taiwopanfob
QUOTE(Newsfeed @ Sun 9th December 2007, 4:09am) *
In an acknowledgement of the importance that the Internet encyclopedia Wikipedia has in shaping opinion [...]


"Shaping opinion" is just a euphemism for propaganda. Seems like prima facie evidence of extreme abuse/disruption either ongoing or future. Are the leaders of WP hunting down and killing the responsible parties in this case?
Disillusioned Lackey
Head's up.

I'm pretty sure this guy is Hu12. Or is a leading candidate.

QUOTE(Cedric @ Sun 9th December 2007, 3:00am) *

No such luck. Not Jayjg, either. It's this guy, a professional photographer who also fancies himself to be a journalist.


Shankbone's not a photographer. He's a financial manager and former commodities trade (former Enron UK, and somewhere in Spain, now manages the funds of two old New York families). Hu12.

Shankbone's first edit: # 18:31, 24 June 2006 (hist) (diff) Talk:Frances Bean Cobain‎ (→Jew)
Hu12's first edit # 06:37, 12 February 2006 (hist) (diff) Commodity market
Disillusioned Lackey

QUOTE
Who is David Shankbone? The first thing you should know about me is I’m like nobody else you’ve ever met. My blood is the only connection between George Bernard Shaw and Jane Bowles. I'm a silly bastard, true of heart and I want the best for those in my life. I do not compete with friends or family. I've driven a motorcycle across Cuba, been a paparazzo in New York, worked at Enron in London, skydived over Italy and camped in the Amazon basin for a week to get over an intense fear of insects; it didn't work. I saw death on that trip. It's not the first time: I found a suicide in the woods on New Year's when I was 13 (a boy my age named Mike Drinkwater). By serendipity I found out why he did it. I live in the East Village y hablo Español. I have a scar on my face and a tattoo on my shoulder. David Bowie and The Libertines are all-time faves (I'm always rooting for Pete Doherty to pull through). In the fourth grade the nuns at my Catholic school told my mother in a parent-teacher conference I wanted them dead. I did not. I'm a big guy (6'3), athletic (185#), slim (32W x 34L) and pale (25% Irish/25% Dutch/50% German). I'm glad I'm getting older (wiser) and I disdain youth. I wear a suit to the office where I manage the assets of two of the founding families of New York City. I've moved 33 times amongst 3 countries (US, GB and ES), 6 states (NJ, GA, CO, TX, PA, NY) and 17 cities. Airline family, not military. Then it was me. Everything before NYC is forgotten. I like to travel off the beaten path. Happy endings never bore me.


Durova and him were cut from the same cloth.
jorge
What a bizarre story. They seem to be talking about Shankbone as if he was some kind of Wikimedia representative.

EDIT:What's an airline family? blink.gif
Disillusioned Lackey
QUOTE(jorge @ Sun 9th December 2007, 8:08am) *

What a bizarre story. They seem to be talking about Shankbone as if he was some kind of Wikimedia representative.

ps: "They" aren't talking about him. This is a self description. wacko.gif

Much like Durova (pre-scandal), he touts himself as a professional of Wikipedia. Nonsense.
QUOTE(jorge @ Sun 9th December 2007, 8:08am) *

EDIT:What's an airline family? blink.gif

Not sure, but they seem to be capable of producing self-described high-flyers jetting around on their own hot air.

That he'll be feted by the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs is a bit sickening, IMO. Talk about pandering.
jorge
OK, this old version of his user page links to Eastern Airlines so I suppose he is saying his family worked for that company. I wonder why he retired on August 1?

EDIT:OK he explains here that he was not retiring, but concentrating on wikinews.
Disillusioned Lackey
He says he's a financial manager for two of NY's biggest families.

Maybe he went to work for Eastern for a while after Enron tanked. Family connections or something, when the job goes south.
jorge
"In an acknowledgement of the importance that the Internet encyclopedia Wikipedia has in shaping opinion"

And what shape would the Israeli Foreign Ministry prefer?

"More than once we have faced editors connected to Israel that appear on Wikipedia in English that do not represent the reality in Israel. We decided to initiate a visit by Shankbone to describe Israeli reality as it is."

I wonder who that was? Isarig?
jorge
Shankbone is apparently alumni of Fordham University School of Law. I wonder if he knows Gary Weiss who seems to take a particular interest in Fordham University?

"and most importantly:

List of Notable Fordham University Alumni! "

I also wonder whether Danny Wool, former no. 2 to Mr Wales, former chief educator for the Museum of Jewish Heritage NY and a former fellow member of NY's gay community had anything to do with David's trip to Israel?
jorge
Perhaps David could have a look at this racist reality in Israel:

"half of all Jewish respondents do not believe Arab Israelis are worthy of receiving the same rights as any other Israeli citizens"

"The study also found that the country's youth are equally prejudiced toward the Arab population with 72 percent of young respondents labeling Arab Israelis as "not clean" and "not intelligent.""

"The report said in 2007 alone, incidents involving anti-Arab sentiments by the country's Jewish population increased by 100 percent."
Piperdown
QUOTE(Disillusioned Lackey @ Sun 9th December 2007, 2:48pm) *

He says he's a financial manager for two of NY's biggest families.


So the WP admin who "investigated" whether people from Overstock were "spamming" WP is in fact himself a hedge fund manager.

So it's no surprise that he was unable to provide an on-wiki proof that overstock was spamming WP.

Because we all know how neutral and unbiased hedge fund managers (and journalists who rely on them) are when it comes to Patrick M. Byrne, who's muckraking is making their lives a lot less profitable lately.

Good to hear that due process is alive and well on WP, and Captain Kangaroo Court, Jimmy Wales, doesn't have a problem with that.
jorge
QUOTE(Piperdown @ Sun 9th December 2007, 4:48pm) *

So the WP admin who "investigated" whether people from Overstock were "spamming" WP is in fact himself a hedge fund manager.

Because we all know how neutral and unbiased hedge fund managers (and journalists who rely on them) are when it comes to Patrick M. Byrne, who's muckraking is making their lives a lot less profitable lately.

"where I manage the assets of two of the founding families of New York City"

Any idea who the two families are?
Piperdown
QUOTE(jorge @ Sun 9th December 2007, 5:39pm) *

QUOTE(Piperdown @ Sun 9th December 2007, 4:48pm) *

So the WP admin who "investigated" whether people from Overstock were "spamming" WP is in fact himself a hedge fund manager.

Because we all know how neutral and unbiased hedge fund managers (and journalists who rely on them) are when it comes to Patrick M. Byrne, who's muckraking is making their lives a lot less profitable lately.

"where I manage the assets of two of the founding families of New York City"

Any idea who the two families are?


that doesn't much matter.

anyone who "manages money" for a specific group of wealthy investors (most small hedge funds require clients to be "wealthy", the larger ones let in more of the hoi polloi) is a hedge fund manager, and Patrick Byrne is getting up in his grill
jorge
He seems to use the same bio all over the place:

MySpace

Friendster

Hebrew Wikipedia

According to his Myspace profile he studied at University Of Colorado At Boulder 1994-96 and Fordham University - Lincoln Center 2004-2006. In his profile he doesn't say anything about being Jewish but someone has just posted
"So woohoo...going back to your mother land? smile.gif" on his comments.
Disillusioned Lackey
Well, hedge funds aren't the same animal as forwards and futures. (or to be more specific, futures and forwards are tools used by hedge fund managers).

There's nothing innately wrong with hedge funds, nor with forwards nor futures contracts. Futures are forwards are financial instruments, and hedge funds are, well, using them to "hedge" risk.

But they are subject to the same unregulated abuses, so yes.

I just love that David S. brags about being a former Enron employee. Only a true former Enron employee would be so deluded. Though you'd think with Skilling in jail and Lay having conveniently died before his long sentence could be implemented, the guy would be discreet about this sordid former employer. Saying you once worked at Enron is like saying you once worked at the BCCI.

By the way, I suggest you check David S's edit history for futures and forward, etc etc etc edits. I'm guessing there isn't much. Which might imply he split his interests between pleasure edits and edits about his expertise, with two accounts.
Piperdown
QUOTE(Disillusioned Lackey @ Sun 9th December 2007, 5:50pm) *

Well, hedge funds aren't the same animal as forwards and futures. (or to be more specific, futures and forwards are tools used by hedge fund managers).

There's nothing innately wrong with hedge funds, nor with forwards nor futures contracts. Futures are forwards are financial instruments, and hedge funds are, well, using them to "hedge" risk.

But they are subject to the same unregulated abuses, so yes.

I just love that David S. brags about being a former Enron employee. Only a true former Enron employee would be so deluded. Though you'd think with Skilling in jail and Lay having conveniently died before his long sentence could be implemented, the guy would be discreet about this sordid former employer. Saying you once worked at Enron is like saying you once worked at the BCCI.

By the way, I suggest you check David S's edit history for futures and forward, etc etc etc edits. I'm guessing there isn't much. Which might imply he split his interests between pleasure edits and edits about his expertise, with two accounts.


for some reason this "shankbone" rings a bell. surely i must have come across this fellow in my google searching during my "holy shit, why are these 'two' henhouseguarding fox editors on WP treating me like Richard Burton in _The Man Who Came In From The Cold_"? daze.

i'd wager a hundred wikibucks that wordbomb has heard of this guy before too.

I think it's time for Cade to get serious with some not-so-private investigations and get to the heart of this wikimatter.

Hopefully Cade is a WR reader. I don't see how he couldn't be by now, after everything and now this.
guy
QUOTE(jorge @ Sun 9th December 2007, 5:50pm) *

In his profile he doesn't say anything about being Jewish but someone has just posted
"So woohoo...going back to your mother land? smile.gif" on his comments.

What does that prove? Lots of people get described as Jewish when they're not - me, for one.
jorge
This is weird, I can't find any record of anyone with the surname Shankbone apart from this person. mellow.gif
guy
QUOTE(jorge @ Sun 9th December 2007, 6:24pm) *

This is weird, I can't find any record of anyone with the surname Shankbone apart from this person.

Nobody on the UK Electoral Roll or the list of UK company directors.
Piperdown
lovely.

he literally shows his ass on WP

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:David_Shankbone

Does WP really want the kiddies to see this sort of thing? And when did WP turn into "mygayspace".

Not that there's anything wrong with that in the right setting, but not on WP, its not supposed to be a socialnetworking site for any sort of orienatations ;-)

How is this "contributing to an encyclopedia"? And why has Ryulong (well, RU, David might be quite long, perhaps if you check this he might show you) not put the hammer of the wikideletionsavingkb's gods upon this:
User:DavidShankBone/BodyParts

Next item for consideration:

Have these "2" users ever voted on the same issue, or tag-team edited the same article?

User:Hu12
User:David Shankbone (formerly DavidShankBone)
jorge
QUOTE(Piperdown @ Sun 9th December 2007, 6:41pm) *

lovely.

he literally shows his ass on WP

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:David_Shankbone

Does WP really want the kiddies to see this sort of thing? And when did WP turn into "mygayspace".

Danny Wool's boyfriend?

QUOTE(Piperdown @ Sun 9th December 2007, 6:41pm) *

Next item for consideration:

Have these "2" users ever voted on the same issue, or tag-team edited the same article?

User:Hu12
User:David Shankbone (formerly DavidShankBone)

I'm not sure about that- the edits don't seem to coincide particularly. But as DL said he doesn't seem to have edited anything on Law or Finance so he may have separate accounts for the purpose.

There are NO Shankbones in Whitepages .
jorge
You'd think if someone was going to use a fake name they'd at least check to see if the name actually existed. I can't find any occurence of that name before he created his Wikipedia account.
Disillusioned Lackey
QUOTE(jorge @ Sun 9th December 2007, 12:50pm) *


I'm not sure about that- the edits don't seem to coincide particularly. But as DL said he doesn't seem to have edited anything on Law or Finance so he may have separate accounts for the purpose.

I'm sorry, but I suggested that someone else go look. I haven't looked. But if I did, that's what I'd look for. And do it fast, so as to avoid the usual WR-related WP-alteration

QUOTE(jorge @ Sun 9th December 2007, 12:50pm) *

There are NO Shankbones in Whitepages .


Shankbone is zeroa (shankbone), one of the components of the seder plate.

There's plenty about David Shankbone in Google, including New York city social networking things. Besides, if he's going to Israel and has his name in the media, it's probably his name.

No one lists in the white pages anymore. Esp. if you are a semi-public figure or female.

Lots of people don't even have fixed lines anymore - just a cell, which wouldn't show up in the white pages either.
jorge
QUOTE(Disillusioned Lackey @ Sun 9th December 2007, 7:50pm) *

Lots of people don't even have fixed lines anymore - just a cell, which wouldn't show up in the white pages either.

I am telling you the surname Shankbone does not exist. No one has it except this person indicating it is not his birth name.
Disillusioned Lackey
QUOTE(guy @ Sun 9th December 2007, 12:18pm) *

What does that prove? Lots of people get described as Jewish when they're not - me, for one.
I think I read something about being Jewish in his WP bio, though I can't be bothered to look. Besides the fact that Shankbone is likely a Jewish name. Not that it matters.

And the Israel connection with American Jewish people is kind of lively, so it makes sense.
jorge
QUOTE(Disillusioned Lackey @ Sun 9th December 2007, 7:55pm) *

QUOTE(guy @ Sun 9th December 2007, 12:18pm) *

What does that prove? Lots of people get described as Jewish when they're not - me, for one.
I think I read something about being Jewish in his WP bio, though I can't be bothered to look. Besides the fact that Shankbone is likely a Jewish name.

It's not. There is no one else that has this surname.
Disillusioned Lackey
QUOTE(jorge @ Sun 9th December 2007, 1:55pm) *

I am telling you the surname Shankbone does not exist. No one has it except this person indicating it is not his birth name.
In ANY country? If so, then he posts to social networking groups under a fake name. It sounds like a real name to me.
jorge
QUOTE(Disillusioned Lackey @ Sun 9th December 2007, 7:57pm) *

QUOTE(jorge @ Sun 9th December 2007, 1:55pm) *

I am telling you the surname Shankbone does not exist. No one has it except this person indicating it is not his birth name.
In ANY country? If so, then he posts to social networking groups under a fake name. It sounds like a real name to me.

It is a fake name and no he doesn't just use it on social networking sites.
Disillusioned Lackey


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jorge
What's that, can you include complete links?

QUOTE(Disillusioned Lackey @ Sun 9th December 2007, 8:00pm) *


Events leading up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq: Ahmed Chalabi and ...
1998: Ahmed Chalabi Speaks of Restoring Iraqi Oil Pipeline to Israel ... [Source: Public domain/ David Shankbone]Ahmed Chalabi meets Scott Ritter, ...
www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?specific_cases_and_issues=chalabi&timeline=complete_timeline..

That last link just links to a photo of Scott Ritter that was uploaded to Wikimedia Commons in August, 2007. I still don't see any evidence of that name being used before he started his Wikipedia account.
Disillusioned Lackey
Even if its a fake name.

Who cares? smile.gif

I'd guess it is real, since he's so keen on hobnobbing with celebrities and getting his name in the paper, etc - attribution for pictures.

Shankbone doesn't sound like that weird of a name.
Moulton
QUOTE(Disillusioned Lackey @ Sun 9th December 2007, 2:50pm) *
Shankbone is zeroa (shankbone), one of the components of the seder plate.

This observation seems to have gone by unnoticed, so let me elaborate.

On the Jewish holiday of Passover (Feast of the Paschal Lamb), there is a symbolic food symbolizing each part of the Passover Story. The Paschal Lamb is symbolized by a shankbone on the Seder Plate.

This is one of the few places in culture where the term 'shankbone' has any symbolic meaning.
jorge
QUOTE(Disillusioned Lackey @ Sun 9th December 2007, 8:23pm) *

Even if its a fake name.

Who cares? smile.gif

I'd guess it is real, since he's so keen on hobnobbing with celebrities and getting his name in the paper, etc - attribution for pictures.

Shankbone doesn't sound like that weird of a name.

Of course it matters. Why has this guy, of all editors on Wikipedia been chosen by the Israeli Foreign Ministry to see the "reality in Israel" and that has been chosen as an event of such significance that it has been reported in the Jerusalem Post? It just happens to be someone that is going by a false name and who seems to be possibly concealing the fact that they are Jewish (they specifically lay out their ancestry as 1/4 Dutch, 1/4 Irish, and 1/2 German mentioning nothing about being Jewish).
Piperdown
QUOTE(Moulton @ Sun 9th December 2007, 8:27pm) *

QUOTE(Disillusioned Lackey @ Sun 9th December 2007, 2:50pm) *
Shankbone is zeroa (shankbone), one of the components of the seder plate.

This observation seems to have gone by unnoticed, so let me elaborate.

On the Jewish holiday of Passover (Feast of the Paschal Lamb), there is a symbolic food symbolizing each part of the Passover Story. The Paschal Lamb is symbolized by a shankbone on the Seder Plate.

This is one of the few places in culture where the term 'shankbone' has any symbolic meaning.


there is neither here nor there, but per antisocialmedia.net sleuthing, weiss used to go by "pascallamb" or "pascalamb" for an aol account on "usenet".

So did Shankbone adopt this surname as a meatspace name as well? If there's no record of it ever being used a real-world surname, it wouldn't be the first case of a flamboyant self-promoter taking on a stage name in the real world.

and what makes one a "leading" wikipedia editor? self declaration?
Disillusioned Lackey
It would also give new meaning to the word, "meatpuppet"


I thought that Gary Weiss was older, though.
jorge
QUOTE(Piperdown @ Sun 9th December 2007, 8:41pm) *

there is neither here nor there, but per antisocialmedia.net sleuthing, weiss used to go by "pascallamb" or "pascalamb" for an aol account on "usenet".

So did Shankbone adopt this surname as a meatspace name as well? If there's no record of it ever being used a real-world surname, it wouldn't be the first case of a flamboyant self-promoter taking on a stage name in the real world.

What a bizarre coincidence. Both he and Weiss seem to have a connection to Fordham University. I can't find any record of a David Shankbone being linked to anything before he created his Wikipedia account in 2006.
Piperdown
QUOTE(Disillusioned Lackey @ Sun 9th December 2007, 8:45pm) *

It would also give new meaning to the word, "meatpuppet"


I thought that Gary Weiss was older, though.


i dunno where you get the idea i was trying to tie those 2 together. i thought "neither here nor there" was clear enough.
Disillusioned Lackey
QUOTE(jorge @ Sun 9th December 2007, 2:37pm) *

possibly concealing the fact that they are Jewish (they specifically lay out their ancestry as 1/4 Dutch, 1/4 Irish, and 1/2 German mentioning nothing about being Jewish).
I'm not sure if you are American, but in the U.S., your religion is generally viewed as being no one's business - not the same thing outside the U.S., where politics and religion are arguably more intertwined, at least in Europe and the Middle East.

And there were a lot of Jewish people in Holland and Germany. Not that it matters if he is or not again.

But he's a Wikinews reporter, and his getting picked seems kind of normal, especially for a media mad self-promoter.


QUOTE(Piperdown @ Sun 9th December 2007, 2:47pm) *

i dunno where you get the idea i was trying to tie those 2 together. i thought "neither here nor there" was clear enough.
Just checking the wires on your tin foil hat. wink.gif
Piperdown
QUOTE(jorge @ Sun 9th December 2007, 8:47pm) *

QUOTE(Piperdown @ Sun 9th December 2007, 8:41pm) *

there is neither here nor there, but per antisocialmedia.net sleuthing, weiss used to go by "pascallamb" or "pascalamb" for an aol account on "usenet".

So did Shankbone adopt this surname as a meatspace name as well? If there's no record of it ever being used a real-world surname, it wouldn't be the first case of a flamboyant self-promoter taking on a stage name in the real world.

What a bizarre coincidence. Both he and Weiss seem to have a connection to Fordham University. I can't find any record of a David Shankbone being linked to anything before he created his Wikipedia account in 2006.


weiss has no connection with fordham whatsoever. that was part of his essjay attempt to try and pretend he is something he's not in order to gain higher ground of neutrality or expertise in controversial matters.

he was trying to appear neutral on judaical topics on wp by posing as a catholic. he ain't. he's also not in/from New Mexico as his Lastexit "alternate account" claims either.
jorge
QUOTE(Disillusioned Lackey @ Sun 9th December 2007, 8:49pm) *

But he's a Wikinews reporter, and his getting picked seems kind of normal, especially for a media mad self-promoter.

A Foreign Ministry of a country pays a guy to come to their country to show him the "reality", and then promotes this in the leading national newspaper and talks about "shaping" public opinion. But then it turns out this guy is in fact using a false name. Of course that matters.
Piperdown
QUOTE(jorge @ Sun 9th December 2007, 8:53pm) *

QUOTE(Disillusioned Lackey @ Sun 9th December 2007, 8:49pm) *

But he's a Wikinews reporter, and his getting picked seems kind of normal, especially for a media mad self-promoter.

A Foreign Ministry of a country pays a guy to come to their country to show him the "reality", and then promotes this in the leading national newspaper and talks about "shaping" public opinion. But then it turns out this guy is in fact using a false name. Of course that matters.


any chance that a moroccan or turkish govt will hire a islam POV WP warrior to come on over and report the wikitruth? ;-)
jorge
QUOTE(Piperdown @ Sun 9th December 2007, 9:00pm) *

any chance that a moroccan or turkish govt will hire a islam POV WP warrior to come on over and report the wikitruth? ;-)

Sure, they are shitty governments as well. However, so is Israel and Mr. "Shankbone" is not going to report the "truth".
Disillusioned Lackey
QUOTE(Piperdown @ Sun 9th December 2007, 3:00pm) *

any chance that a moroccan or turkish govt will hire a islam POV WP warrior to come on over and report the wikitruth? ;-)


Their POV pushers article on Taner Akçam did such a good job he got detained in US and Canadian customs last spring. So yeah.

I wouldn't call that an islamic POV push. Each of the Islam-predominated Middle Eastern governments or Magrhebian governments (North African) have their own "twist" of POV, with varying levels (and styles) of islamic POV pushing.

I think that the extremist islamic POV'ers get reigned in by the fact that Wikipedia has such a heavy US influence, in terms of editors (and cabal clout). I would be more curious about the Arabic Wikipedia, where Americans (and the cabal) can't read what goes on there.

Sometimes it's just a "pro government" POV, as in the case of Taner Akçam, who disagreed with the government's view of history. The Turkish government has been veering towards secularism for quite some time, but has some strong points of view about "facts", ahem.
jorge
QUOTE(Piperdown @ Sun 9th December 2007, 8:49pm) *

weiss has no connection with fordham whatsoever. that was part of his essjay attempt to try and pretend he is something he's not in order to gain higher ground of neutrality or expertise in controversial matters.

he was trying to appear neutral on judaical topics on wp by posing as a catholic. he ain't. he's also not in/from New Mexico as his Lastexit "alternate account" claims either.

Do you know where Weiss studied? Anyway, he clearly has a strong interest in Fordham for whatever reason due to his edits, so maybe Mr."Pascalamb" is a friend of Mr. "Shankbone"?

"On the Jewish holiday of Passover (Feast of the Paschal Lamb), there is a symbolic food symbolizing each part of the Passover Story. The Paschal Lamb is symbolized by a shankbone on the Seder Plate."
Piperdown
QUOTE(jorge @ Sun 9th December 2007, 10:12pm) *

QUOTE(Piperdown @ Sun 9th December 2007, 8:49pm) *

weiss has no connection with fordham whatsoever. that was part of his essjay attempt to try and pretend he is something he's not in order to gain higher ground of neutrality or expertise in controversial matters.

he was trying to appear neutral on judaical topics on wp by posing as a catholic. he ain't. he's also not in/from New Mexico as his Lastexit "alternate account" claims either.

Do you know where Weiss studied? Anyway, he clearly has a strong interest in Fordham for whatever reason due to his edits, so maybe Mr."Pascalamb" is a friend of Mr. "Shankbone"?

"On the Jewish holiday of Passover (Feast of the Paschal Lamb), there is a symbolic food symbolizing each part of the Passover Story. The Paschal Lamb is symbolized by a shankbone on the Seder Plate."


according to weiss, he is an alumnus of Northwestern University in Chicago, degree in journalism. No graduate degrees noted, and no mention of a second career pursuing an mba at fordham, just 'criticising' Patrick Byrne on stock message boards and blogs for 2 years with his equal rights to point out how many testicles Byrne has, long before Wordbomb started on WP or with Overstock.

weiss is born and bred New Yorker. he is also a Bronx School of Sci/Math (or close to that name) graduate. Fordham is a very well known New York institution. I know these things because Mantanmoreland tells us so on WP.

If you're trying to paint yourself as a Jesuit/Catholic New Yorker, Fordham is the Notre Dame of NYC. This is also the same reason he chose to pick out a prominient catholic church in NYC to create an article on. As well as a BLP of a NYC priest noted for his Catholic-Jewish relations efforts. This is all to provide some wikistreet cred that his a noble and unbiased Martin-Luther-Started-Nazism efforts ;-)

although he forgot to log in once and gave away his DTCC second career. like a cat with allergies, he has more careers than walter mitty.

samiharris probably posted from a Northwestern IP, fwiw, in what appeared to be a similar "forgot to login" oops on an article with no edits for months, then suddenly a NWU IP followed by a samiharris edit. I forget what article, let me look up my old WP userpage to see the link.

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This article had no edits for a long time, then 2 posts within minutes http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=116670435 - one from a Northwestern University IP.....
, the other samiharris
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