Hiberniantears page for finding out if you like his sysopping. Apart from being a spambot and therefore unable to register on this site, if there are any comments you wish to make about the use of the admin flags by this editor then here is your opportunity to comment.

Who? I don't know if the fact that I spent three years at the Heart Of The Cabal and have never heard of this guy reflects well or badly on him.

The Support section of his RFA reads like the Who's Who of Wikipedia's Fuckwits, though.

Wow. I honestly don't know what to think.

Oh, thanks Iri! At least he had no opposes.

Why is it all the boring admins who actually get on with it without causing a fuss are the ones who care about their performance? You would never see a feedback page for an admin who regularly abuses their position.

Of course you have; it is called Wikipedia:Administrator's noticeboard/Incidents. I wouldn't say it was particularly effective, though...

Actually, I'm surprised Hiberniantears (T-C-L-K-R-D) hasn't been mentioned more often, though he was mentioned just recently (and somewhat negatively) in relation to the Kmweber (T-C-L-K-R-D) situation, and back in May some of his comments were discussed regarding the Flying Toaster RfA.

He seems to have an interest in Eastern Europe, Turkey, and the Ottoman Empire, and perhaps one could say geopolitics in general. I suspect he has a somewhat anti-Turkish POV in this area, though that's not necessarily bad... Though his username is a reference to Ireland, he's clearly American and appears to be something of a left-winger.

Hell, if it weren't for the officiousness and the occasional misspellings, he could almost be me!

I noticed he didn't have any lolcat pictures on his user page, which is a strike against him. He should ask this guy for help.

Well, it isn't just the lack of lolcats - that user page is hideous. Then again, I suppose you could argue that a nicer layout would be "fussy" and thus contrary to the likely preferences of a non-narcissistic personality type.

Still no idea who this guy is, but this and this, followed by this "mommy you're not watching me" whine when it turned out nobody cared, isn't exactly endearing him to me. Here's my "constructive feedback", since you asked; yet another Shankbone-a-like attention whore who doesn't care what's being said, so long as it's being said about him. Well, you asked.

He's getting desperate isn't he? I wonder why.

Twelve whole hours and still nobody cares. I predict a flouncing out soon; while it's one thing working out for oneself that this Very Important Position Of Responsibility is in fact a pointless charade and nothing you do makes the slightest difference, nobody likes to be told that by an outsider. The history of Wikipedia's users could be summarised in terms of "how long did it take to realize that nobody gives a shit?". And the history of Wikipedia's critics, come to that.

Ched Davis helpfully pointed out Wikipedia:Administrator review.

Hiberniantears seems to have forgotten that it's vacation for many people, and also most people don't give a damn.

I was gonna say! If you want people to pay attention to your latest screed, however worthy, don't post it between Christmas and New Year's.

Also, since there's been "offsite canvassing" in the form of this very thread, non-WR members who comment there might be suspected of having read this thread first, and by extension, suspected of visiting WR in general. They might not want to reveal that to other WP'ers.

Somewhat on topic:

Anyone know how often the 'Open to Recall' option has actually been put in effect for some admin on that list (if ever) and resulted in a de-sysoping? And when it was put in motion, was the resulting process any less drama and pointlessness prone than a standard de-sysoping via AN/I or whatever would have been? Did the person go nicely or did they go kicking and screaming? Is it for realz or it is a facade, another one of those Wiki-hypocrisies where the whole collective pretends something is when it really isn't?

I can't think of a single instance but hell, 7 months ago I didn't even know what an "ArbCom" was.

Very good question.

As far as I know the closest any admin has come to being successfully recalled was Navou (a.k.a. half a dozen other names).

I personally asked him for a recall a couple years ago and he said he required six signatures. Once other people agreed with me, he removed himself from the admin-recall category and declared all bets to be off. I'm not sure how many times he changed his mind about that as his pages were deleted but he continued this line of skulduggery for a several days but eventually opened a "recall" page after Durova threatened to disown him.

I believe he maintains that he resigned voluntarily (in response to the cratering of his arbcom bid a few weeks prior) with no cloud and not on account of any stinkin' recall, so the number of recalled admins is still zero by his count.

A little birdy told me this user has passed RFA again under a different name. If this is true it would arguably push the admin-recall tally to negative one.

But good for him. I don't really care anymore.

It's a fun game anyone can play.

Step 1: "I'm open to recall."

Step 2: "I'm open to recall, but only under certain conditions, which I get to define."

Step 3: "I'm open to recall, but you people don't meet the conditions to recall me."

Step 4: "I'm open to recall, as long as people don't abuse the process."

Step 5: "I'm not open to recall anymore. People are abusing the process and using it to harass me."

Step 6: "No one should be open to recall. After all, admins need to have a free hand to deal with miscreants..."

Wikipedia needs a community desysopping mechanism, not silly charades like that.

Disagree.

See Wikipedia:Administrators_open_to_recall/Past_requests. In my view the least dramatic successful recall would have to be Crzrussian. That was a while ago now.

I think Somey's nailed our dear friend here. He missed being the center of attention the way he was when he was up for RFA. Why he hasn't run for RFB is beyond me, it's the obvious Next Step in the Ladder of WikiNarcissism.

Huh, same thing as happened when I ran for Reconfirmation for Adminship; all those people who bemoaned that no-one took steps to ensure that their use of the tools was still approved by the community accuse anyone who tries as being narcissistic... It may have been true in my case (which is why I am again referring to it, I guess) but you (WR habituees) could at least be consistent...

There seems to be a pathological need among some to be an admin. It's as if all of their self worth is tied into climbing the wiki-ladder. Navajo/Mercury/NonvocalScream is one comical case. There is another guy that he reminds me of. Wonder what happened to him. Probably a bureaucrat / on the arbcom by now.



Indeed. Maybe he'll run for the board next.

Reconfirmation is one thing (and this is one place where I can take the moral high ground, since AFAIK you and I are the only people among all those who mouth off about term limits and compulsory reconfirmation to actually shit or get off the pot). It's totally different from a "mommy, look at the poop I did before I flush it!" exercise in posturing like this, with its "In order to be fully upfront, should I receive nothing but negative feedback, I will not resign" (trans: "If you're nice about me, you're right; if you're rude about me, you're wrong") disclaimer. This is as pointless an exercise as a North Korean election; even Shankbone, Slim, Jimbo and the other targets of the Wrath Of WR don't make an active point of ignoring criticism.

And AFAICT Crzrussian is pretty much the only one. Sort of. The other close ones are Durova, but I think that was done mostly through AN/I (I could be wrong about this) and Keilan I who was quickly reconfirmed (but gets kudos for going through the process).

The rest are under the "the request was not made in good faith" excuse or something similar, or not enough people cared - though I'm sure in many cases the requests actually weren't made in good faith.

I'm not sure I should say this, but I think Kelly may have misunderstood me - I meant that his user page layout, since it's not very attractive, tends to suggest that he isn't a narcissist. As for his asking for public criticism as a form of attention-seeking, that's not especially narcissistic either - it's more likely to be a sign of insecurity, a depressive tendency, or even just-plain boredom. (Real narcissists don't court criticism and then act on it; they demand praise, and they feel betrayed when they don't get it.)

I don't personally interact with any of these people (unless they register accounts here), so all I usually have to go on is what they do on Wikipedia, but I don't really get the bad vibes from this guy. Maybe I'm going soft, or maybe it's because he reminds me a little bit of myself (wrt politics and history, mostly), but... I've seen a lot worse.

I think somebody's been projecting, again

Well, to be fair, I could have stated that much more clearly than I did, and the vast majority of WP admins who ask other users for a "review" of their astonishingly wonderful achievements admin activities really are fishing for compliments, if not demanding praise, however indirectly.

So it's an easy mistake to make, and besides, hardly anyone is completely non-narcissistic, and it's fairly clear that Kelly (while probably more irascible) is less narcissistic than the average Wikipedian. (To wit, there's relatively little demand for praise, not so much of a tendency to see events strictly in terms of how they affect her personally, doesn't automatically assume she's always doing the smart/right/best thing, and while she has a healthy ego, she does admit to some of her own past failings - true narcissists almost never do that, or if they do they'll claim that others were ultimately to blame, etc., etc.)