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Some of the more hilarious rhetoric, most but not all in the pot-kettle department WMC - "my attention was drawn to CF"
(we used to call it stalking) - admits to protecting a page version for amusement value
- "A often seemed confused about the terms of the ban"
(that would be "an indeterminate period of approximately a month" which "remains, to be reviewed in approximately another month" )
Enric Naval - "Abd believes that he knows better than other users"
(of course, it's Enric itself who knows best) - "Abd says that hoaxes should not be deleted, and hoaxers tolerated"
(Abd said that hoaxes should be blanked by any user instead of deleted by admins) - "Abd assumes the existance of bad-faith cabals"
(I wonder where he gets that idea from?) - "Abd performs experiments with democracy"
(outrageous) - "Abd sees no problem at all with his very long posts"
(subheading 25 out of 27 total in Enric's evidence)
Mathsci - "Abd has made unfounded statements about William M. Connolley" / "WMC is part of some covert off-wiki conspiracy." / "Since this case began he has written that WMC has been "coddling" me."
(Such as by blocking people who annoy Mathsci, whom WMC meets for drinks IRL) - "Abd claims to have scientific expertise"
(Mathsci claims to be a scientist but his expertise is in pure mathematics) - "Abd appears to be supported by a small tag team"
(Mathsci's being a little larger) - "My brief involvement on Talk:Cold fusion has been minimal and constructive"
(16 edits, including "Abd's contributions here seem to be extremely skewed." "In view of his poor namespace editing record, my advice to Abd is to attempt to edit a non-controversial article on science in order to get more experience in handling scientific sourcing in a completely neutral context. That might be a valuable eye-opener." "Abd is not the person to lead discussions here.")
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QUOTE(Grep @ Sat 15th August 2009, 11:36am) Meanwhile, back at the case, I note the inspired proposal that Raul654Â (T-C-L-K-R-D)
be put under mentoring. Brilliant! I'm not quite sure how you meant this but I shall take it as an actual compliment rather than simple sarcasm. I will admit that the proposal was indeed devised and suggested because of it's likely targeted effect on Raul under the circumstances. UPDATE: After rereading this I guess I better clarify that " likely targeted effect" can be interpreted as " likely to reign in Raul's excesses while allowing him to continue his work as an administrator and checkuser". I guess trying to be terse can sometimes be a problem in terms of giving a misleading impression. This post has been edited by GoRight:
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QUOTE(GoRight @ Tue 18th August 2009, 3:27am) QUOTE(Grep @ Sat 15th August 2009, 11:36am) Meanwhile, back at the case, I note the inspired proposal that Raul654Â (T-C-L-K-R-D)
be put under mentoring. Brilliant! I'm not quite sure how you meant this but I shall take it as an actual compliment rather than simple sarcasm. I will admit that the proposal was indeed devised and suggested because of it's likely targeted effect on Raul under the circumstances. UPDATE: After rereading this I guess I better clarify that " likely targeted effect" can be interpreted as " likely to reign in Raul's excesses while allowing him to continue his work as an administrator and checkuser". I guess trying to be terse can sometimes be a problem in terms of giving a misleading impression. GoRight has just been blockedfor 48 hours for trolling on/about ArbCom pages by Hersfold. This post has been edited by Mathsci:
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QUOTE(Mathsci @ Tue 18th August 2009, 5:50am) GoRight has just been blockedfor 48 hours for trolling on/about ArbCom pages by Hersfold.
Sadly, true. I suppose I forced this upon him by giving him a public compliment. He does need to be seen as being impartial in such matters. Does 48 hours seem a tad excessive for such a minor comment? This post has been edited by GoRight:
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QUOTE(Cla68 @ Tue 18th August 2009, 7:19am) Congratulations, I think all of you are turning this case into one of the biggest circuses in ArbCom history, although I'm sure some other participants in this board might take issue with that.
QUOTE I don't have time to dig up diffs at the moment, and apparently neither do others in this case, but from what I've observed over several years, WMC is often acerbic, truculent, and irascible when dealing with other editors, especially when they hold a different opinion than him in Global warming or other science-related articles. ... Cla68 (talk) 08:07, 18 August 2009 (UTC) Splendid stuff, Cla68. You lead by example.
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QUOTE(Mathsci @ Tue 18th August 2009, 9:02am) QUOTE(Cla68 @ Tue 18th August 2009, 7:19am) Congratulations, I think all of you are turning this case into one of the biggest circuses in ArbCom history, although I'm sure some other participants in this board might take issue with that.
QUOTE I don't have time to dig up diffs at the moment, and apparently neither do others in this case, but from what I've observed over several years, WMC is often acerbic, truculent, and irascible when dealing with other editors, especially when they hold a different opinion than him in Global warming or other science-related articles. ... Cla68 (talk) 08:07, 18 August 2009 (UTC) Splendid stuff, Cla68. You lead by example. Here you go (scroll down to WMC's last comment). There he's biting a newbie, namely, me. As you can see from his actions in this case, such as deleting or altering other editor's comments, he seems to be unable to adjust his attitude.
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QUOTE(Cla68 @ Tue 18th August 2009, 2:37pm) Here you go (scroll down to WMC's last comment). There he's biting a newbie, namely, me. As you can see from his actions in this case, such as deleting or altering other editor's comments, he seems to be unable to adjust his attitude. What they need to do for Global Warming articles is state very clearly what Climate Scientists say, and make it clear that it is Climate Scientists who are saying it. For example, rather than saying, "The remainder is due to a human-induced intensification of the greenhouse effect", they'd be better saying " Climate scientists determined that the remainder is due to a human-induced intensification of the greenhouse effect". This actually gives it more credibility. Be clear though Cla68, when you are talking about Climate Change, it isn't really a case of "two sides of the debate". There is a discussion among climate scientists, almost all of whom have rejected the various scientific theories against anthropological Climate Change, and they can explain why. This video (and accompanying videos) is the best guide to the Climate Change situation we are likely to see. Essential viewing for anyone writing on those articles - forget Al Gore.
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QUOTE(Kato @ Tue 18th August 2009, 2:06pm)
What they need to do for Global Warming articles is state very clearly what Climate Scientists say, and make it clear that it is Climate Scientists who are saying it.
For example, rather than saying, "The remainder is due to a human-induced intensification of the greenhouse effect", they'd be better saying "Climate scientists determined that the remainder is due to a human-induced intensification of the greenhouse effect". This actually gives it more credibility.
Attribution is a common solution to make text NPOV. It always improves accuracy, so the question becomes whether or not a fact is controversial enough to require attribution. If the various sides were to set up a goal of consensus, and work toward that, the individual editorial problems could be solved, and fairly rapidly. But the problem with Majority POV-pushing is that the majority may feel that discussion is a waste of time, and I can understand that it seems that way. In the long run, though, higher levels of consensus are more efficient, because the group working to maintain article stability becomes larger. In the field that I adopted when I discovered admin abuse and investigated -- I was originally skeptical --, Cold fusion, anyone working in the field, anyone with knowledge of the literature, which is vast and active, including recent sources of the highest quality, will read our article and see it as full of bloopers and serious imbalance, compared to the actual balance of publication in reliable source. If you aren't familiar, it can look pretty ordinary and sensible, stuff seems like it's reliably sourced, etc. It's kind of a test bed for how to open up consensus process to minority views. It takes time, and a lot of discussion, to shift consensus. There are many ways to do it, and I'm learning still. Watch, if you care. (The cabal believes I'm trying to warp consensus by overwhelming opposition. There is a truth to this, though it is not "warping," it is the opposite. What happens in real consensus process is that the final result -- which is unpredictable in detail -- overwhelms unreasonable opposition, which disappears, because it would expose itself if it continued.) Note that if it were merely a matter of wearing out opposition by endless discussion, the result would be unstable, it would, in fact, be impossible to maintain the alleged "consensus."
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QUOTE(TungstenCarbide @ Wed 19th August 2009, 4:02am) Wow, Ikip really knows how to put a case together, and if I'm not mistaken he was instrumental in the desysopping of Mongo too (under another account). Ikip did a good job. I initially confined myself to the particular example where I was involved. I did later put up evidence regarding one incident, where WMC had unprotected Global warming (T-H-L-K-D) after Jennavecia had protected it, and she had expressed, in the discussion on WMC talk, despair over ever being able to do anything about WMC's behavior. I had that in mind when I was deciding how to proceed with WMC's page ban. Maybe it was time that someone stand up to WMC. But if I was alone in this, forget about it. Ikip helped. It's still unclear what remedy ArbComm will determine, but A/C has a profound reluctance to desysop; I've been arguing that ArbComm should suspend admin privilege when there is an appearance of impropriety, that it should then restore it when the appearance has been dispelled, thus avoiding issues of "guilt" and "punishment." Purely protective, against the appearance of admin bias as well as against the reality. Standard operating procedure in real life with police. Feels like a voice crying in the wilderness, sometimes. This thread was titled "The Cabal strikes back." Did anyone here have any difficulty understanding "Cabal"? I.e., "Cabal, what cabal?" I mentioned a larger cabal, and was promptly attacked for it. The larger cabal has been called that, by name, by others. It's a "cabal," not merely a faction, because there is some harm when the cabal bias is not recognized. In response to the ridicule, I mentioned that less than 0.1% of registered editors belong to it, all arbitrators belong to it, and only about 1% of its members are arbitrators. It holds views, generally, which are at variance from editors in general, and it can and does impose those views, and where the cabal bias is not recognized, damage is sometimes done, hence "cabal" instead of merely some defined interest group. Anyone here have any difficulty in figuring out what this cabal is? Anyone who thinks that the cabal bias is not harmful in some ways? (It may be beneficial in others.) I have been criticized by my friends for mentioning the cabal, not to mention not-friends. I bit off more than I could chew. Perhaps. But there was this big thing in my mouth, and it was about time someone took a bite. Definitely, it was bigger than I could handle on my lonesome, and only with a few valiant and brave editors, was any progress possible. Thanks, Ikip, for your service to the wiki. A few more like you, there might be some hope. Depending on the outcome, which is still unclear, I might be shifting my work off-wiki, which, from more than two years ago, I understood might eventually be necessary, Wikipedia has a tendency to crush and salt reform efforts, i.e., Esperanza and the Association of Mediation Advocates. ArbComm has operating authority over the wiki, not the community and not me, and the wiki itself is merely one of the ways, albeit the default and currently most powerful way, that the community meets and finds consensus. Wikipedia will not progress toward stability and reliability until off-wiki connections, human connections, become much more consistent and effective. It looks like the attempt to sanction editors based on comments here on WR is falling more-or-less flat, as it should, though arbitrator votes are a bit inconsistent at this point. (I.e., Mathsci should not be admonished for his very personal attacks here, but I should, apparently for using the word "asshole" instead of the word "uncivil," which is what it means? Weird.)
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QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Mon 24th August 2009, 11:59pm) Darn it, if Connelley gets de-sysopped, it will spoil his chances in next year's Wikipedia Review Dick of Distinction awards pageant. Otherwise, I think he could be a contender. Right now, it looks like he may escape with only an admonishment, which is an astonishment, given how blatant some of the evidence is. Besides, I move that the award be given to the admin who has admin status at the time of decision, and a temporary desysop would not disqualify. Last years winner, JzG, wasn't desysopped, but stopped editing almost entirely in May. Unstated reason. I operate largely by intuition, sometimes I don't fully realize why I did something until much later. My revocation of my voluntary compliance with the topic ban during the RfAr was like that. I didn't think it all the way through, but if I had, I might have done it anyway. I'm famous for prolixity, but, in fact, I prefer a single quick demonstration to a sea of ink, or extensive characters clogging a page display. WMC had been threatening to block me, up to and during the RfAr, but nobody was noticing., and a threat of block, while involved, is as offensive as an actual block. Ah, WMC, isn't he cute? He wouldn't actually do it, of course, that would be so ... obviously improper. But with WMC, WYSIWYG, that's what is actually appealing about him. He would, and he did. It was totally predictable. I did not actually know if he'd do it, but.... shouldn't ArbComm know the answer to that question? And I could have argued the point with any number of words, but one small, harmless edit, and, poof! like magic, the bunny popped out of the hat! Amazing! Never saw anything before like it, a party to an arbitration blocking another party! Unheard of! Suddenly the cabal solidarity, for a moment, was broken. "He shouldn't have done that." Of course, but, er, why didn't you tell him before he did it? I'd been begging for that for two months! TenOfAllTrades (T-C-L-K-R-D)
, I asked you, as his friend, to warn him. You interpreted that as "conveying a threat." Okay, what if it was a threat? If he enforces his ban, in spite of such an obvious and extended dispute, and given my "threat" to take it to ArbComm, is there a risk to his admin bit? Or not? I begged JzG's friends to warn him for months, before filing the RfC. Nobody did, the only people who warned him, being myself and Durova and a few others whom he did not consider friends, were blown off. Same with WMC, when he blew off warnings, when he wheel-warred with Jennavecia, the cabal laughed with him about how silly these blowhards were. Don't worry, WMC, they will lose interest when they don't get the attention they crave, and, of course, you can always count on our support, and we never lose.Meanwhile, this morning I woke up realizing why it was essential that I raise the cabal issue. And I posted it to the arbitration proposed decision talk page. Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Abd-William_M._Connolley/Proposed_decision#If_There_is_No_Cabal.2C_please_site-ban_me. (T-H-L-K-D)Comments there may be in order for some of you. Be nice, but be clear. If there is no cabal, then, it follows with inevitable precision, I should be site banned. If WP:TINC (T-H-L-K-D), I've been opposing, not a set of mutually-involved editors, acting as if they were a cabal, but a collection of uninvolved editors, who properly banned me, and, if I oppose, in content, so many uninvolved editors, I'm POV-pushing and should be topic banned. But because this conflict has spanned many topics and process issues, I should be, if the editors are uninvolved, site-banned. If there is no cabal, I had no case at all, WMC was simply acting properly under IAR, and was, as usual, confirmed by a consensus of uninvolved editors, in every case, or at least was not determined to have acted wrongly, some discussions were about half positive and half negative, and thus WMC's action was, at least, reasonable. Thus, rejecting the cabal accusation and setting it aside, the administrators had no choice but to conclude, about me, POV-pushing, disruption, unwillingness to accept good faith advice, offered by so many uninvolved editors, that I should take a flying leap and go away and please, please shut up. Consensus. TINC, TINC, TINC, repeated three times every morning, will keep Wikipedia safe and avoid the tendency to disruptive thinking. Certain drugs can also be effective, and the combination of drugs and affirmations is never known to fail, it will keep you happy for your entire wikicareer. WHAM! What was that? My nose is bloody! What hit me? TINC, TINC, TINC. I must have stumbled over a rock, I'd better be more careful. La, la, la! WHAM! WHAM! TINC, TINC, TINC. How did my edit get reverted, it was sourced! I must have overlooked something, AGF. I'd better be more careful! La, la, la! WHAM! WHAM! WHAM! My, my, I seem to have been blocked. All I did was disagree with an editor. TINC, TINC, TINC. There, I feel better now, all I need to do is be more careful and never, ever oppose consensus when it is affirmed by such a reputable editor. I feel so good, I'm learning how to handle conflict so well. Just give up when opposed! That's so simple, why didn't I think of it before? Now that I'm off the block, I'll go do Recent Changes patrol, no problem. Make myself useful, that's my motto. TINC, TINC, TINC.On the other hand, how about WP:TIAC (T-H-L-K-D)? Nah, that is far too unsettling. If there is a cabal, it might actually be difficult to solve the Wikipedia structural problems. There is only one deep solution which has been proposed, and we all know what happened to that, WP:PRX (T-H-L-K-D), which was crushed even before it was tried, and the crazy editor (literally crazy, that's why he could recognize PRX so quickly) who proposed it was blocked and banned. PRX would institutionalize cabals, give them incentive to identify themselves, allow them to function efficiently, but, even more important, enable the largest possible cabal, the largest faction in the community of editors, or even the entire community that chooses to take a small step to connect with others, to communicate and express consensus on a truly large scale. That's way too outside the box, too uncomfortable. Wouldn't that be a paradise for sock puppets? TINC, TINC, TINC. I've asked ArbComm to definitively rule on the issue of the cabal, as raised, not as re-interpreted to make it into a preposterous claim, affirming, if it will, that the editors who have long called for my ban are not "involved editors," that there is no cabal, i.e., no mutual involvement through affiliation that would lead these calls to not be "independent," and, thus, the confirmation of my page ban was perfectly legitimate, a consensus of "uninvolved editors" as required by WP:BAN. And thus my work is obviously disruptive because it is upsetting so many uninvolved and unrelated editors. And thus, please, site-ban me, don't agonize over detailed sanctions, Keep It Simple, Stupid. Or, otherwise, reconsider the whole affair. The idea that WMC has support is rooted in the idea that the support shown is unbiased, representative of the community as a whole, not merely of a faction. The idea that Abd is disruptive wasn't based on evidence -- bainer had it right, and he seems to have spent more time studying the evidence, as original drafting arb, than any of the rest, even Carcharoth, who can be spectacular. If Carcharoth persists in concluding that I should be banned, I'm history, I'll absolutely shut up, probably permanently. Unless I'm shown a great deal more support than has been manifest, it would take that. When all that was visible was bainer's proposals, I thought we might actually get a good decision, even if I didn't agree with every detail. Nobody's perfect, including me. I concluded long ago that if someone appeared who was perfect, I would surely disagree with this person, the only question is how extensive that disagreement would be.I've gone on wikibreak, and, for my personal sanity at this point, and my personal life, this will include posting here for a time, I have to stop peeking. If I'm site-banned, I may return here and participate. In the meantime, if anyone wishes to communicate with me, please use my Wikipedia email or, directly abd, lomaxdesign.com.
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QUOTE(Abd @ Tue 25th August 2009, 2:42pm) QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Mon 24th August 2009, 11:59pm) Darn it, if Connelley gets de-sysopped, it will spoil his chances in next year's Wikipedia Review Dick of Distinction awards pageant. Otherwise, I think he could be a contender. Right now, it looks like he may escape with only an admonishment, which is an astonishment, given how blatant some of the evidence is. Besides, I move that the award be given to the admin who has admin status at the time of decision, and a temporary desysop would not disqualify. Last years winner, JzG, wasn't desysopped, but stopped editing almost entirely in May. Unstated reason. I operate largely by intuition, sometimes I don't fully realize why I did something until much later. My revocation of my voluntary compliance with the topic ban during the RfAr was like that. I didn't think it all the way through, but if I had, I might have done it anyway. I'm famous for prolixity, but, in fact, I prefer a single quick demonstration to a sea of ink, or extensive characters clogging a page display. WMC had been threatening to block me, up to and during the RfAr, but nobody was noticing., and a threat of block, while involved, is as offensive as an actual block. Ah, WMC, isn't he cute? He wouldn't actually do it, of course, that would be so ... obviously improper. But with WMC, WYSIWYG, that's what is actually appealing about him. He would, and he did. It was totally predictable. I did not actually know if he'd do it, but.... shouldn't ArbComm know the answer to that question? And I could have argued the point with any number of words, but one small, harmless edit, and, poof! like magic, the bunny popped out of the hat! Amazing! Never saw anything before like it, a party to an arbitration blocking another party! Unheard of! Suddenly the cabal solidarity, for a moment, was broken. "He shouldn't have done that." Of course, but, er, why didn't you tell him before he did it? I'd been begging for that for two months! TenOfAllTrades (T-C-L-K-R-D)
, I asked you, as his friend, to warn him. You interpreted that as "conveying a threat." Okay, what if it was a threat? If he enforces his ban, in spite of such an obvious and extended dispute, and given my "threat" to take it to ArbComm, is there a risk to his admin bit? Or not? I begged JzG's friends to warn him for months, before filing the RfC. Nobody did, the only people who warned him, being myself and Durova and a few others whom he did not consider friends, were blown off. Same with WMC, when he blew off warnings, when he wheel-warred with Jennavecia, the cabal laughed with him about how silly these blowhards were. Don't worry, WMC, they will lose interest when they don't get the attention they crave, and, of course, you can always count on our support, and we never lose.Meanwhile, this morning I woke up realizing why it was essential that I raise the cabal issue. And I posted it to the arbitration proposed decision talk page. Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Abd-William_M._Connolley/Proposed_decision#If_There_is_No_Cabal.2C_please_site-ban_me. (T-H-L-K-D)Comments there may be in order for some of you. Be nice, but be clear. If there is no cabal, then, it follows with inevitable precision, I should be site banned. If WP:TINC (T-H-L-K-D), I've been opposing, not a set of mutually-involved editors, acting as if they were a cabal, but a collection of uninvolved editors, who properly banned me, and, if I oppose, in content, so many uninvolved editors, I'm POV-pushing and should be topic banned. But because this conflict has spanned many topics and process issues, I should be, if the editors are uninvolved, site-banned. If there is no cabal, I had no case at all, WMC was simply acting properly under IAR, and was, as usual, confirmed by a consensus of uninvolved editors, in every case, or at least was not determined to have acted wrongly, some discussions were about half positive and half negative, and thus WMC's action was, at least, reasonable. Thus, rejecting the cabal accusation and setting it aside, the administrators had no choice but to conclude, about me, POV-pushing, disruption, unwillingness to accept good faith advice, offered by so many uninvolved editors, that I should take a flying leap and go away and please, please shut up. Consensus. TINC, TINC, TINC, repeated three times every morning, will keep Wikipedia safe and avoid the tendency to disruptive thinking. Certain drugs can also be effective, and the combination of drugs and affirmations is never known to fail, it will keep you happy for your entire wikicareer. WHAM! What was that? My nose is bloody! What hit me? TINC, TINC, TINC. I must have stumbled over a rock, I'd better be more careful. La, la, la! WHAM! WHAM! TINC, TINC, TINC. How did my edit get reverted, it was sourced! I must have overlooked something, AGF. I'd better be more careful! La, la, la! WHAM! WHAM! WHAM! My, my, I seem to have been blocked. All I did was disagree with an editor. TINC, TINC, TINC. There, I feel better now, all I need to do is be more careful and never, ever oppose consensus when it is affirmed by such a reputable editor. I feel so good, I'm learning how to handle conflict so well. Just give up when opposed! That's so simple, why didn't I think of it before? Now that I'm off the block, I'll go do Recent Changes patrol, no problem. Make myself useful, that's my motto. TINC, TINC, TINC.On the other hand, how about WP:TIAC (T-H-L-K-D)? Nah, that is far too unsettling. If there is a cabal, it might actually be difficult to solve the Wikipedia structural problems. There is only one deep solution which has been proposed, and we all know what happened to that, WP:PRX (T-H-L-K-D), which was crushed even before it was tried, and the crazy editor (literally crazy, that's why he could recognize PRX so quickly) who proposed it was blocked and banned. PRX would institutionalize cabals, give them incentive to identify themselves, allow them to function efficiently, but, even more important, enable the largest possible cabal, the largest faction in the community of editors, or even the entire community that chooses to take a small step to connect with others, to communicate and express consensus on a truly large scale. That's way too outside the box, too uncomfortable. Wouldn't that be a paradise for sock puppets? TINC, TINC, TINC. I've asked ArbComm to definitively rule on the issue of the cabal, as raised, not as re-interpreted to make it into a preposterous claim, affirming, if it will, that the editors who have long called for my ban are not "involved editors," that there is no cabal, i.e., no mutual involvement through affiliation that would lead these calls to not be "independent," and, thus, the confirmation of my page ban was perfectly legitimate, a consensus of "uninvolved editors" as required by WP:BAN. And thus my work is obviously disruptive because it is upsetting so many uninvolved and unrelated editors. And thus, please, site-ban me, don't agonize over detailed sanctions, Keep It Simple, Stupid. Or, otherwise, reconsider the whole affair. The idea that WMC has support is rooted in the idea that the support shown is unbiased, representative of the community as a whole, not merely of a faction. The idea that Abd is disruptive wasn't based on evidence -- bainer had it right, and he seems to have spent more time studying the evidence, as original drafting arb, than any of the rest, even Carcharoth, who can be spectacular. If Carcharoth persists in concluding that I should be banned, I'm history, I'll absolutely shut up, probably permanently. Unless I'm shown a great deal more support than has been manifest, it would take that. When all that was visible was bainer's proposals, I thought we might actually get a good decision, even if I didn't agree with every detail. Nobody's perfect, including me. I concluded long ago that if someone appeared who was perfect, I would surely disagree with this person, the only question is how extensive that disagreement would be.I've gone on wikibreak, and, for my personal sanity at this point, and my personal life, this will include posting here for a time, I have to stop peeking. If I'm site-banned, I may return here and participate. In the meantime, if anyone wishes to communicate with me, please use my Wikipedia email or, directly abd, lomaxdesign.com. Ave atque vale.
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QUOTE I'm in full agreement with Carcharoth and Thatcher here. Cla68, if you feel there is a severe issue that needs handling by the Arbitration Committee that is not being addressed here, please wait for this case to close and open a request for a new case then. Coming here at this stage and saying everyone commenting on this case should be topic banned is not at all helpful and needlessly provocative. Please back off and retake your seat in the audience. Hersfold (t/a/c) 04:36, 28 August 2009 (UTC) Not one of Cla68's greatest moments on wikipedia. He was trolling on ArbCom case pages. This post has been edited by Mathsci:
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"Abd has made unfounded statements... Cla68 Mathsci, do you think that William M. Connolley is... Mathsci
Mathsci, do you think that William M. Connolley i... Mathsci Well one wildy protesting sock - Arkady Renkov - h... Grep
Well one wildy protesting sock - Arkady Renkov - ... Mathsci
Well one wildy protesting sock - Arkady Renkov -... The Adversary
We already made a wax doll of Grep in the early h... Mathsci
We already made a wax doll of Grep in the early ... The Adversary
He he he.
That reminds me - I still have to go t... Mathsci
Eh, but what is "git"? (They didn´t... The Adversary
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Git_(British_sl... A Horse With No Name
Going totally off-topic here (Sorry, Somey!) ... The Adversary
Don't apologize -- I tend to think of it as ... A Horse With No Name
Ah, but whenever I see any of horseys post, my ... The Adversary
What are you talking about? I am calm and well-be... A Horse With No Name
[quote name='A Horse With No Name' post='185026' ... The Adversary
Ha ha...not. But that's why this Horsey like... A Horse With No Name
You forgot a tiny issue (for you): those guys hav... Malleus
Ha ha...not. But that's why this Horsey lik... Herschelkrustofsky
I should also add that I forgot William's bir... Mathsci
I should also add that I forgot William's bi... dtobias Is WMC anything like the WMDs they didn't find... A Horse With No Name
Is WMC anything like the WMDs they didn't fin... dtobias Perhaps there could be a rather ruder version of t... Abd How incredibly boring, I come here looking for som... Somey How incredibly boring, I come here looking for som... The Adversary
[i]Low interest? About 75 percent of this thread ... GlassBeadGame
[i]Low interest? About 75 percent of this thread... The Adversary
Mr. Horse seems to make a good number of comment... Lar
Oh, I don´t want you to ban him, I just would ... tarantino
[quote name='The Adversary' post='185087' date='M... Lar
Horsey is a [url=http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-... Milton Roe
Horsey is a [url=http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is... A Horse With No Name
I think you're selling him a bit short. What ... A Horse With No Name Oh, I don´t want you to ban him, I just would l... sbrown
Mr. Horse seems to make a good number of comments... Cla68
How incredibly boring, I come here looking for so... Mathsci
If you want WMC's behavior to be corrected, y... Abd
Isn't the case a little more restricted than ... Mathsci
It might give you some clue, something which you ... EricBarbour Grandad, I never left university, you silly oid co... Mathsci
Keep talking, asshole. Keep making snark about yo... Abd
Grandad, I never left university, you silly oid c... Mathsci
In any case, if any of you are familiar with th... Abd
OMG, Grandad, not another lecture on your crackp... Mathsci
Thanks for the link, Mathsci, I haven't seen ... Cla68
[quote name='Cla68' post='185101' date='Tue 21st ... Abd Okay, finally, something to chew on.
ABD, what ... Mathsci
How incredibly boring, I come here looking for so... Grep
On-WP, you are dense with incivility, here, you a... Mathsci
On-WP, you are dense with incivility, here, you ... Milton Roe
The other is far more serious and worrying - it ... Viridae WR members are usually interested in this sort of ... Cla68
WR members are usually interested in this sort of... Mathsci
Mathsci, do you think that WMC was correct in rem... Cla68
Mathsci, do you think that WMC was correct in re... Mathsci
[quote name='Mathsci' post='185218' date='Tue 21s... Cla68
Are you not, Sir, the most pretentious, snivelli... EricBarbour a) this thread belongs in the tarpit;
b) it's ... Mathsci Wasn't there somebody in this thread asking wh... Somey Look, folks, I've been trying to be nice about... Abd I can tell before I write this that it's going... Grep There are certainly a number of serious issues her... Abd
There are certainly a number of serious issues he... Milton Roe
First of all, I'm convinced that low-energy n... Abd
I figured that with a modest investment of about... Somey I guess I should be more careful what I ask for, e... Mathsci The problem is that Abd is wasting everybody's... Somey Meanwhile, Somey, why would anybody discuss this c... EricBarbour In most cases like this, the controlling forces ev... Abd
These boys are
enjoying typing at each other too ... EricBarbour Compromise was tried. With JzG, I tried for about ... Abd
Sorry, but I have looked at various WP pages and ... Abd
In most cases like this, the controlling forces e... Grep
The problem is that Abd is wasting everybody... Milton Roe
Maybe, maybe not. Wikipedia Review isn't the... Grep
The Wikipedia isn't the place to decide ANY i... Milton Roe
[quote name='Milton Roe' post='185574' date='Thu ... Abd
Yes, and all could have been avoided if somebody ... Abd
I guess I should be more careful what I ask for, ... Robert Roberts
As a "witness" my eyes glaze over ever... Abd
As a "witness" my eyes glaze over eve... Mathsci
Mathsi is an arrogant asshole.
Act I, Scene V... Abd
[quote name='Abd' post='185495' date='Thu 23rd Ju... Mathsci
Mathsci, care to let us know more about your rea... EricBarbour
My favourite colour is blue.
My operating system ... A Horse With No Name Abd, can you believe that we are soon arriving at ... Abd
Abd, can you believe that we are soon arriving at... A Horse With No Name
Yes, next month. Some little known facts about th... Herschelkrustofsky This saga seems to encapsulate all of the worst an... Enric_Naval Reading this thread in its enterity ranges among t... Grep
Reading this thread in its enterity ranges among ... Enric_Naval
Reading this thread in its enterity ranges among... Mathsci What team? Milton Roe
What team?
The Bourbaki Mathsci team. We're ... Mathsci
[quote name='Mathsci' post='185678' date='Fri 24t... A Horse With No Name
* I have a problem with WR becoming a place to ex... Milton Roe
* I have a problem with WR becoming a place to e... Grep To be honest, the hilarity value is certainly on t... Enric_Naval So, back to reviewing wikipedia. Is there really a... Grep I thought the gist of the case was WMC failing to ... Mathsci
I thought the gist of the case was WMC failing to... Grep
Abd never showed up for the New York wiki confere... EricBarbour As for Eric Barbour, is anybody interested in the ... Grep
Linky?
It's a post-modern sort of thing: a... Mathsci
You just condemned yourself. Now nobody on this ... Abd Warning. Serious discussion of meta-issues. Please... RMHED
Warning. Serious discussion of meta-issues. Pleas... Abd
[quote name='Abd' post='186822' date='Fri 31st Ju... Mathsci
Like Mathsci later, RHMED quoted my entire essay... Abd [quote name='Abd' post='186984' date='Sat 1st Augu... Mathsci
[quote name='Mathsci' post='186992' date='Sat 1st... RMHED
[quote name='Abd' post='186984' date='Sat 1st Aug... Abd
[quote name='Abd' post='187000' date='Sun 2nd Aug... Mathsci
Warning. Serious discussion of meta-issues. Pleas... Milton Roe
Warning. Serious discussion of meta-issues. Plea... Abd [quote name='Abd' post='186822' date='Fri 31st Jul... Grep I mentioned earlier that Hersfold seemed to be get... Mathsci
Meanwhile "uninvolved" [wpuser]TotientD... Grep
The user contributions of TotientDragooned had a... Mathsci
You must be looking at a wikipedia in a paralle... Grep
In my universe Abd seems to be the only person th... Mathsci
In my universe Abd seems to be the only person t... Grep
But didn't you say somewhere else that there ... Abd
In my universe Abd seems to be the only person t... Abd
In my universe Abd seems to be the only person t... Mathsci
No, that's too much to write. Tl;dr is a lot... Sarcasticidealist Tl;dr is a lot faster, isn't it? It's a si... Abd
Tl;dr is a lot faster, isn't it? It's a s... Mathsci
I'd rather be editing an article. Very little... Peter Damian
So: I was banned by WMC
From my very limited r... Mathsci
[quote name='Abd' post='186647' date='Fri 31st Ju... Grep
You seem like a very intelligent person, and very... Mathsci
[quote name='Peter Damian' post='187102' date='Su... The Adversary
For me WR is for loonie conduct <snip>
We... Mathsci
For me WR is for loonie conduct <snip>
W... Abd
So: I was banned by WMC [..]
From my very limi... Abd Long again! If anyone reads this and thinks an... Kelly Martin The stupid level in this thread is beginning to en... Abd
The stupid level in this thread is beginning to e... EricBarbour http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss273/metasonix... Tennis expert Abd, you are completely naive if you believe for a... Abd
Abd, you are completely naive if you believe for ... Lifebaka Abd, I assume you wrote down your proposed delegab... Sarcasticidealist Abd, I assume you wrote down your proposed delegab... Abd
[quote name='Lifebaka' post='186854' date='Fri 31... EricBarbour I nominate this thread for the official title of: ... Abd
I nominate this thread for the official title of:... jayvdb
[quote name='EricBarbour' post='187218' date='Sun... Grep
I nominate this thread for the official title of:... GoRight I'm insulted! You guys are having a party... Milton Roe
I'm insulted! You guys are having a part... GoRight
Hey, Mel. If you're looking for the dystopian... Mathsci
Perhaps that is why I subconsciously chose this ... GoRight
No, no, no, no, the dastardly duo looks more like... GoRight The Plot Thickens:
Having seen the hero in our li... Somey Having seen the hero in our little drama, Hipocrit... Kelly Martin I could be wrong, though - Mr. Sidaway has a way o... GoRight
Tony is drawn to drama, enjoys being involved in ... GoRight True to form, our new player seems to have stuck h... Moulton We need an emoticon for eating popcorn
I agree. :... GoRight I note that one of the director's favorite act... Abd
I note that one of the director's favorite ac... Mathsci
Unless ArbComm decides to block the whole lot of ... GoRight Reading through some of the earlier posts, one of ... Milton Roe
Reading through some of the earlier posts, one of... Mathsci Poor old grandad must have forgotten to take his ... Milton Roe
Poor old grandad must have forgotten to take his... Mathsci
[quote name='Mathsci' post='188483' date='Sun 9th... Milton Roe
[quote name='Milton Roe' post='188538' date='Sun ... Abd
[quote name='Milton Roe' post='188538' date='Sun ... Mathsci
Oh, it will be mentioned and linked.
The link ... privatemusings
On Mondays I can be clean shaven, on Tuesdays ha... Moulton If someone wants to understand what is actually go... Abd
Poor old grandad must have forgotten to take his... Grep So WMC thinks it a good idea to block Abd while th... Mathsci
So WMC thinks it a good idea to block Abd while t... Grep
Who's the mad hatter?
mathsci = misc hat One ... GoRight Yesterday's episode was action filled and full... Kelly Martin Tony is known to live in the UK and has in the pas... Milton Roe
Tony is known to live in the UK and has in the pa... One Wow, TS. Tony sez: "In what sense is William... GoRight
Uh, well, these two users have had a significant ... One
Well perhaps you can understand why I found the q... Kelly Martin I understand. Many people know both of these indiv... Milton Roe
For what it's worth, Raul's style is more... Mathsci
The voice of reason.
These kind and thoughtfu... Grep Interesting to see that Mathsci have apparently wi... Mathsci
Interesting to see that Mathsci have apparently w... Grep It seems to have confused the clerks as well -- I... Mathsci
It seems to have confused the clerks as well -- I... Grep An interesting contribution from BozMo here. In t... Abd
In the section where Mathsci try to have the evid... Mathsci
[quote name='Grep' post='189148' date='Wed 12th A... TungstenCarbide
An interesting contribution from [wpuser]BozMo he... Grep
Ikip puts on a [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/ind... Mathsci
[quote name='TungstenCarbide' post='189242' date=... Kato
The clerk suggested that I add evidence about wha... Grep
Mathsci, if you are a professional mathematician ... Mathsci
Mathsci, if you are a professional mathematician... Grep
[quote name='Grep' post='189455' date='Fri 14th A... Mathsci
[quote name='Grep' post='189455' date='Fri 14th ... Moulton Ah yes. Rings, Fields, Groups, and Cabals.
All p... Grep I did a rough edit count for the various pages for... Abd
I did a rough edit count for the various pages fo... Moulton Wikipedia is harder on my sanity than was having f... Cedric
In any event, it's a crazy-making culture bec... Abd
Wikipedia is harder on my sanity than was having ... Grep
GoRight has just been blockedfor 48 hours for tro... Cla68
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=T... Herschelkrustofsky
I've been arguing that ArbComm should suspend... Abd I've been arguing that ArbComm should suspend ... One
Cla68 , the wikipedia troll, seems to have lost h... Mathsci
[quote name='Mathsci' post='191816' date='Fri 28t... Guido den Broeder
Cla68 , the wikipedia troll, seems to have lost h... Mathsci
[quote name='Mathsci' post='191816' date='Fri 28t... Cla68
Not one of Cla68's greatest moments on wiki... Herschelkrustofsky
The [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Lawren... Cla68
The [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Lawre... Jay
If a notable scientist like [url=http://en.wikipe... CharlotteWebb
Wow, Ikip really knows how to put a case together... Mathsci
[quote name='Cla68' post='189804' date='Tue 18th... Cla68
Good gracious, March 2006! And you've b... Apathetic Proposed decision is up for voting now Grep
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbit... Moulton [quote name='Moulton' post='189543' date='Sat 15th... Abd
GoRight has just been blockedfor 48 hours for tr... Grep Poor old Hersfold doesn't seem to be doing too... InkBlot I don't know why, but seeing comments on Hersf... Moulton Boredom is the name of an emotion, and thus charac... Moulton For reasons that I am at a loss to understand or e...
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