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One of the arguments being made on the GG list is that the Commons don't need no stinkin' rules like the rest of the Wikipædiæ supposedly do.

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Andreas Kolbe jayen466 at yahoo.com
Thu Feb 17 02:19:01 UTC 2011

Oliver Keyes wrote:

> This is true, but doesn't help with many projects.
> Some projects don't have WP:V as a core principle —
> what do we do with them? "inappropriate" images
> on Commons would not be bound by such standards.

I see Commons as different in nature from Wikipedia. Pages like this one

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Jean shorts

are in many ways an embarrassment for an educational project.

On the other hand, that page is pretty much the same as what you get when you do a Google image search for jean shorts:

www.google.co.uk/images?q="jean+shorts"&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1333&bih=929

Commons is just what it is. But I would like to retain the idea that Wikipedia is an educational resource. Wikipedia can link to Commons, including its collection of pornographic images, in articles on these topics.


Exercise for the Reader. What is wrong with that argument?

Hint. 501(‍c‍)(3)
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QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ Fri 18th February 2011, 4:18am) *


Exercise for the Reader. What is wrong with that argument?

Hint. 501(‍c‍)(3)

First, I have basically given up on Commons. The fact that Commons was not even able to adopt the sexual content policy, to whose draft I contributed for half a year, told me that working at the community level in Commons is a waste of time. Change will either come from the top, or not at all. Until such time, it is what it is, and there is nothing you or I can do about it.

There is no excuse for crap like this, but some people are aware of the problem, even over there, and do want to do something about it. It can only come from the top, like the BLP policy, because the community is too immature and porn-obsessed, or porn-tolerant, to get there by itself.

Secondly, just because Commons is full of stuff like this doesn't mean that Wikipedia has to be full of it, too.

Personally, I am fine with Commons hosting adult material, provided that all these Commons files have an age-related opt-in, as they do in Flickr, and remain invisible to everyone else. That's what I am working towards.

Seriously, what do you think would have to happen in Commons for the Foundation to lose its charitable status? Do you think the present magnitude of the problem is enough?

If so, draft a letter to the relevant IRS department that grants 501©(3) status. You'll find lots of people here who will sign up.
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