Who is AGK?, brand new arbitrator Options

[Peter Damian]

Let's take a look at this new arbitrator. I now know his real name and identity, which are not particularly relevant here.

What is relevant is his age - born November 1990, which means he was 15 when he first joined Wikipedia, and 17 when he became an administrator at his second attempt. An extraordinarily rapid rise to power, now a member of the Arbitration committee having just turned 21.

Joining in early 2006, he showed a desire to become an administrator immediately, saying to Flo Knight "I was brought up in a rough part of Glasgow, Scotland I feel my knowledge of the Scottish delinquent personality would be of use as a 'Hall Monitor' http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=43600120, and then at editor review - "I think I may want Adminship, but I am worried I have been with Wikipedia for too short a time despite the fact that Adminship is the one thing I want most on Wikipedia! Please leave comments or advice about how I am doing, and whether or not I should go for Adminship. Also, if I did go for it would you honestly vote for me or not??? Thank you very much." http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=69211753

Shows commendable dedication to the cause by his 'vandal fighting'. "Your new Wikipediaholic Score First of all, how did your score climb SO QUICKLY? How is it even possible to score that high if you're not Jimbo Wales? By the way, you made some errors in the ranking, like labelling 2nd as 2st, 3rd as 3nd, and 4th as 4rd. I have fixed them. AstroHurricane001 22:11, 18 October 2006 (UTC)"

Also shows commendable ambition in his attempts to climb the ranks.

December 27, 2006: adds himself http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&oldid=95877655 to the standby list for CheckUser clerks. Not yet granted.
December 29, 2006: requests http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Med...ons/Anthony_cfc to join the mediation committee. Denied.
December 31, 2006: requests http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?titl...93&oldid=503873 OTRS access. Not granted.
January 9, 2007: requests http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?titl...ev&oldid=509373 CheckUser access. Denied.
January 16, 2007: attempts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_tal...uest_for_Access to gain access to the Bot Approvals Group. Denied.

In February, his first application for RfA was turned down http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Req...hip/Anthony_cfc . The comments are highly intersesting. "An interesting note is that every one of the powers he's applied to is one that Essjay holds; this seems almost like a form of wiki-stalking. In short, I think Anthony cfc just wants any power he can possibly get, and that's never a good trait in administrators. I do not trust him to handle the tools properly. Ral315 (talk) 02:57, 9 February 2007 (UTC)"

Aso, in a bizarre request on another wiki in May 2007 http://wiki.editthis.info/Wiki/Special:Contributions/Shmm, he simultaneously joins and asks for administrator rights. He is turned down flat, although objects that "The fact I'm a Bureaucrat on a Wikimedia Foundation wiki, as well as the Developer for a private Wiki, surely seals the deal? --Shmm 17:26, 1 May 2007 (EDT)", adding "I have a sincere desire to protect this Wiki, as I have being protecting others of the Wikimedia Foundation --Shmm 15:17, 2 May 2007 (EDT)"

Is that true? Since that was before his second successful RfA, on what WMF wiki did he have Bureaucrat rights, in May 2007??

His user page talks about an interest in and knowledge of classical studies, but his main work on Wikipedia seems to have been 'gnoming'. His work on Good Articles is mostly minor changes to grammar (sometimes making it worse), or linking or applying templates or other inconsequential stuff. (I haven't checked that carefully, however, so take that with a grain of salt for now).

Is this the kind of arbitrator Wikipedia needs?

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[FightingMac]

I can add a little more to this now.

First of all, it might be of interest to note that one of AGK's comments noted in Peter Damian's opening contribution in this thread, the one about his being brought up in a tough district of Glasgow and his odd remark that knowledge of the 'delinquent personality' might come in useful, has been revision deleted from its history. What the significance of that might be I know not, but I suspect it is because he is caught out in a fantasy. There are indeed rather a lot of these revision deletions in Anthony's contribution history.

This is his first unsuccessful RfA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Req...hip/Anthony_cfc which was refused, and this is his second successful http://en.wikipedia.g-webs.com/wiki/Wikipe...r_adminship/AGK.

The first carries a prominent pull-quote reservation from his mentor Essjay (indicative of the influence he waged at the time that it survived), and in addition there are significant comments referencing AGK's self-confessed bi-polar condition. The second refers not at all to his bi-polar condition but does record how proud he is of Cambuslang railway station where he drafted in the combined resources of no less than four editors ... well you have to (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif).

The bi-polar stuff is interesting because AGK permanently blocked a user RobvanderWaal (I must declare an interest, Rob is 'family') who had been waging a personal crusade against the hijacking by Major depressive disorder of Vincent van Gogh's (also 'family' I should declare, strange but true if only rather distantly) painting At Eternity's Gate as an icon of mental distress. In fact the painting, as its article (contributed mostly by Rob who briefly became a wikiaddict before coming to his senses), not to mention its title, makes clear, is an image of sanctity. When Rob came to query it on Major depressive disorder (the intellectual property is seems of that well known slimebag Casliber, who has also made a typically stupid and immature remark in this thread I notice) he was hounded by a user Basalisk, apparently a Swansea schoolboy passing himself off a physician. When Rob exposed this editor's pretensions (amongst other things Basalisk announced his putative success in his final medical examinations with the triumphant salutation "I'm a doctor now, bitches"), Rob was blocked by AGK for being a sock of Rinpoche (erm ... also 'family', oh well that's family for you i.e you tend to be related to other people because of it and for no other good reason, which is really so totally unfair and arbitrary).

Quite apart from any issues to do with van Gogh's legacy, the issue is important from a medical point of view; in the first place because iconising van Gogh's painting in this way romanticizes suicide, but far worse because it also reinforces the well known fallacy that people who suffer clinical depression are necessarily in despair (a position also maintained by the good doctor Basalisk incidentally). This is simply not so, and it's especially not so in the case of teenagers (the Bridgend suicide incidents are a tragic example of that). Rather it is a classic case of cause and effect. Suffering from depression makes it more difficult to deal with feelings of despair, but feelings of despair are not necessarily symptomatic of depression and certainly not a necessary adjuvant with the condition; in fact the World Health Organisation does not list feeling of despair as one of the symptoms of clinical depression.

That fucking little ozzy cunt Casliber knows this perfectly well, or certainly ought to, because he's a psychiatrist, but then of course he's just basically yet another wikiaddict with multiple issues about matters of fact and whether they really in fact matter when balanced against the common good of the community (i.e. pricks like Basalisk).

Just to mention. I suggest AGK's block of RobvanderWaal was not disinterested.

And would you by any chance be from Cambuslang then, brother Anthony? The whole family's in on this now (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) ...

(Added): OMG, some of us actually are from Cambuslang! Now there's a laugh ... (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

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[FightingMac]

I can add a little more to this now. ... There are indeed rather a lot of these revision deletions in Anthony's contribution history. ... The second refers not at all to his bi-polar condition but does record how proud he is of Cambuslang railway station where he drafted in the combined resources of no less than four editors ... well you have to (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif).

The bi-polar stuff is interesting ...

It's amusing to go through his very earliest edits. They start in February 2006 and the second edit is already devoted to that flower of Wikipedia Cambuslang railway station , which 6 years 4 months on has achieved such perfection of minimalist unity and form ... (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

In less than a month we see the first of his very many revision deletes and we know from the example I quote above, where he sought to repress a revealingly juvenile remark about his knowledge of the delinquent personality, that in at least that one case vandalism or privacy wasn't the issue.

The first dozen or so edits are more anoraks and then we come to his first intrusive edit at Atkinson index, a relatively obscure normative measure in statistics that we know brother Anthony couldn't possibly have the slightest inkling of. It seems our Anthony wasn't satisfied with its wiki quality because he slings this in at the bottom of the article

== NOTICE ==

Thank You for editing Wikipedia. The RC Patrol would like to inform you that your article is '''incomplete''' and is likely to be deleted if not expanded.


I have wikified this article, so as to inform the community of the oppurtunity (sic) here. However, it is preferred that you personally continute (sic) the article.


Thank You.

He's not actually yet on RC Patrol, and the desperate owerweaning politeness a harbinger of that repressed inappropiately intrusive invasion of personal space, bordering on simple agression, that soon becomes such an evident hallmark of his edits. He also possibly reflects it's not actually a RC after all, rather a stub, because two minutes later he reverts himself and removes it.

Of course that's all intensely revealing.

I will look out for his bipolar edits to see what they might reveal about the boy. I shall also look for IP activity on his anoraks prior to 27 February 2006, the start of his editing on account, to see if we can pick up on his IP address; should be able to get that. Of course I know this all being done professionally by cousins, but I'm curious to know how far I can get on my own with my own strictly limited knowledge of Wikipedia mechanics.

Several possibilities with the bi-polarity, depending crucially when first diagnosed and whether self diagnosed or not. On the whole I expect it will prove to be essentially narcissism at stake here. It's interesting incidentally that the Bipolar disorder article is illustrated with yet another van Gogh painting (''The Plum-Tree after Hiroshige" for some reason) and earlier in its history with ''Starry Night'', where it's cited as evidence of his putative hypomanic episodes (but on the other hand the same painting is also cited as evidence of epileptic storms, another plausible candidate for van Gogh's condition, and I can add for family here that the night scene he was so fond of no doubt references that other most likely candidate neurosyphilis, which did for his brother as well just six moths after Vincent's death - an appalling tragedy incidentally). Out of interest I shall chase down the origin of those edits.

== POLITE NOTICE TO ANTHONY CFC (WHATEVER) AND OTHER INTERESTED PARTIES ==

That stuff about van Gogh and neurosyphilis wos just so-called ''''Irony'''' and in no way at all is be taken as saying I have something against him so please don't put words into my mouth about that like you always do grow up.

But the rest is deadly serius. I fucking mean it.

Thank You.

(Added) A sock of Astrotrain possibly? Astrotrain was anoracking on Scottish railways stations just before Anthony, but ceased directly on Anthony's account creation to concentrate on the Royal Family and the correct English word for what you are if you like buggering small boys, controversial stuff. We do know Anthony likes to create alternative accounts (but not socks god no, these accounts are strictly for serious reasons like having another to troll around and so on) as the morning takes him rolling out of bed. Astrotrain was eventually blocked for psychotic edit warring. Astrotrain fits the profile. He would have started it 2003 when he was 13 and fucking well not disposed to let on to his tough Cambuslang mates that he was into the Royal Family and NAMBLA.

(More) Also revealing is this

== NOTICE ==

This is a Warning from The Wikipedia RC Patrol.

Please stop adding sexually explicit content and nonsense to Wikipedia.

Further attempts to do so will result in implications against your user account.

Thank you

he put on Joe Decker's Talk page 14 March 2006, again less than a month after AGK started his account, the only possible edit from this respected editor and administrator it can refer to being an edit Joe made on the ongoing Roman Catholic paedophilia scandals at the time.

Joe responded with

As I've asked on your talk page, please provide a reference to any such abuse, I believe your complaint is without basis.

and indeed you can see on AGK's Talk Page that Joe responded there on 15 March 2006, except that everything on brother Anthony's cfc Talk page from its creation 27 February 2006 to 25 January 2007 has been revision deleted, so we never get to see the filth Joe put up that brother Anthony felt deserved implications, or indeed what little game NE2 was up to with that image of the eponymous, whatever the fuck that typical pedo word actually means, Cambuslang railway station on 25 January 2007.

Hmhhh ... (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

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[FightingMac]

(Added) A sock of Astrotrain possibly? Astrotrain was anoracking on Scottish railways stations just before Anthony, but ceased directly on Anthony's account creation to concentrate on the Royal Family and the correct English word for what you are if you like buggering small boys, controversial stuff. We do know Anthony likes to create alternative accounts (but not socks god no, these accounts are strictly for serious reasons like having another to troll around and so on) as the morning takes him rolling out of bed. Astrotrain was eventually blocked for psychotic edit warring. Astrotrain fits the profile. He would have started it 2003 when he was 13 and fucking well not disposed to let on to his tough Cambuslang mates that he was into the Royal Family and NAMBLA.

I think this is a wrap for that (grateful thanks to a member for sending me the link to the Editor Interaction tool).

When looking at the two early Wikipedia votes (which concurr), bear in mind that AGK was Anthonycfc at the time.

The Motherwell railway station edits made within 3 hours were first made on 28 February 2006 by brother Anthony to add station information here. Anthony made a minor edit at UK railway staions here at 17:33 before ending his edits for the second day on his new account. On the same day Astrotrain began editing in the evening at 17:35 and made his Motherwell edit at 19:49 that was simply to remove an extra formatting bracket that Anthony had inadvertently entered and that proves to be the last, as far as I can see, of Astrotrain's trainspotting.

No question these are socks and explains why we can't find plausible IP anoraks from Anthony before 27 February 2006, perhaps the most telling evidence.

I begin to question whether AGK is young or even necessarily resident in Scotland.

To clarify, I'm suggesting that AGK was Astrotrain, an adult probably in Canada with some Scottish background, who eventually developed administration ambition but couldn't possibly fulfill them with his record of edit warring on heads of state. So he creates an entirely fictitious persona as a youthful Anthonycfc from Glasgow. My theory anyway ...

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[FightingMac]

... To clarify, I'm suggesting that AGK was Astrotrain, an adult probably in Canada with some Scottish background, who eventually developed administration ambition but couldn't possibly fulfill them with his record of edit warring on heads of state. So he creates an entirely fictitious persona as a youthful Anthonycfc from Glasgow. My theory anyway ...

His Simple English wikipedia user account had this info box (diff is here):

"My username is derived from the initials of the football team I support, Celtic F.C., and my forename, Anthony, from the greek, ανθος (flower). I am one of few Simple Wikipedians that hails from Scotland, UK. I am a supporter of the EU and of its expansion, of the United Nations and the complete control of the UN over all worldwide peacekeeping at the expense of George W. Bush's rain of terror. I hail from a small town near the City of Glasgow - the largest and most influential city in Scotland, and the Second City after the Capital, Edinburgh.

I am extremely gifted in that I am blessed with both excellent academic and sports skills; I am an avid player of football (as well as a follower) and I participate in weekly swimming events and such like. I believe that the common Western trend of overeating is dangerous and will eventually have a negative impact on the biological chain of evolution in some distant time or place. I am not a follower of Humanism - I simply admire the elegance of the logo. Neither, do I select any of my icons for any other reason but to show uniformity and open-mindedness towards the religions of others. My religion is Roman Catholic; however, I disagree with both the way the Roman Catholic Church is ran (namely the beautifying of mass services that has become all to common of late) and of the amount of funds that head in its direction.

I am blessed with a tremendous family who are always nearby, consisting of my mum and dad, younger brother and two younger sisters; I am also in a steady relationship with a non-Wikipedian (despite my best efforts (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) and I am a heterosexual male who dislikes intently discrimination against same-sex marriages and homosexual, bisexual or transgender individuals.

I am training for my P.P.L. (Private Pilot's License) which I hope to achieve in a few years; I enjoy flying, and support the improvement of environmental capabilities of aircraft to allow the upholding of Aviation as well as the environment's stabality. I use - and support - public transport, and disagree with the expansion of road links (e.g. the planned M74 Extension in Glasgow), except where necessary.

Although I am a newcomer to Wikipedia Simple, I have been around at Wikipedia English for almost a year before deciding to turn my attention to this worthwhile yet perhaps slightly neglected project that deserves a place as sister to Wikipedia English."

In an earlier version he declares himself an OCD (Obsessive Compulsive Disorder) sufferer. He had a contact page with various email addresses. Declared himself as having an account with the Scottish Wikipedia, but he never made a single edit there.

So, native of Cambuslang (presumably), Celtic football club supporter (the 'cfc' ... oops), Roman Catholic, named after a Greek flower (yeah we got that, don't ask), bit of an all rounder academically and sportingly, very unfortunately also a bit of a nutter by way of obsessive compulsive bipolar syndrome but at least he's not a fatty destroying civilisation as we know it today, huge admirer of UN peakekeeping, hetererosexual but supports LGBT and extra-Wiki relationships, uses public transport and supports it, bit of a private pilot ... cousins say they're close (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif).

The eponymous Cambuslang railway station in Simple English at Anthony's hands is immortal:

There is a train every ten minutes. Trains come more often at busy times of the day. The station has a ticket office at the top, with a bridge across the track and two ramps down to each platform.

I feel his pain, the poor poor boy. Won't someone take pity and let me tell his story to the world? What it's really like to grow up with obsessive compulsive bipolar syndrome, a Roman Catholic with a family, in a tough delinquent Glasgow suburb like Cambuslang on the wrong side of the tracks at the eponymous Cambuslang railway station? Plus he might well have dyslexic syndrome as well unbeknownst to him but its unmisteakable signs are sadly all too obvious to those of us with expertise in the field.

Oh the dear dear boy, how little can he know how much I care for him, how I yearn to help him! I know Jimbo would immedialy launch an online appeal for him, once the facts were out there in the open, to get him sent over to the US where they have proper hospitals, run by the United Nations for all we know, to treat his condition for just a few thousand dollars a week, money Jimbo could easily raise if he just at least had a photo of Anthony or something to get him going, perhaps one in a pilot cap to be on the safe side.

Will everyone please please help.

Meanwhile I'm writing the Rutherglen Reformer to see if they can help because this is a tragedy that has been allowed to go on for far far too long and it's time we put a stop to it. Apparently South Lanarkshire council has just axed a project to provide a new public toilet at the eponymous Cambuslang railway station, which is just so short sighted and exactly the sort of thing that Anthony could play a real part advocating for because of his medical condition which can find him short at any moment, if he only he was prepared to do the decent thing and out himself for the common good. What a waste!

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[Eppur si muove]

"I am training for my P.P.L. (Private Pilot's License) which I hope to achieve in a few years; I enjoy flying, and support the improvement of environmental capabilities of aircraft to allow the upholding of Aviation as well as the environment's stabality. I use - and support - public transport, and disagree with the expansion of road links (e.g. the planned M74 Extension in Glasgow), except where necessary."

If the birth month that PD gives for AGK is correct, he was 16 when he wrote the above and therefore unable to get even a provisional driver's licence. No wonder he used public transport.

The CAA rules for pilots' licences seem to have changed over the years. I therefore am not sure when someone could start training to fly a powered aircraft, (unpowered ones don't seem to need them). It would be surprising but not inconceivable if you could start to learn to fly before you can start to learn to drive.

[mbz1]

"I am training for my P.P.L. (Private Pilot's License) which I hope to achieve in a few years; I enjoy flying, and support the improvement of environmental capabilities of aircraft to allow the upholding of Aviation as well as the environment's stabality. I use - and support - public transport, and disagree with the expansion of road links (e.g. the planned M74 Extension in Glasgow), except where necessary."

If the birth month that PD gives for AGK is correct, he was 16 when he wrote the above and therefore unable to get even a provisional driver's licence. No wonder he used public transport.

The CAA rules for pilots' licences seem to have changed over the years. I therefore am not sure when someone could start training to fly a powered aircraft, (unpowered ones don't seem to need them). It would be surprising but not inconceivable if you could start to learn to fly before you can start to learn to drive.

If AKG was 16 years old, when he wrote this, I believe we should stop discussing his statement now because he was just a kid, and I could forgive many things to kids.

I only wish AGK to concentrate less on wikipedia and more on his real life because he's getting very nervous responding blocks appeals, and this could be harmful to his health. http://independent.academia.edu/DamirIbris...th_Wikipedia_4_

I would have a nicer day if you stopped e-mailing me. Wikipedia is a non-profit and we are volunteers. Whyon earth would I want to spend my days reading messages such as yours? My client has been set to autodiscard all your messages, and the ArbCom mailing list is being set to auto-discard any messages you send it.Give it up.

-Anthony (AGK)

On the other hand, AGK, nobody forced you to become a member of govcom. You've chosen this way yourself, and, if you did, would you please stop talking about "volunteers" and learn to work with every user?

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[FightingMac]

... If AKG was 16 years old, when he wrote this, I believe we should stop discussing his statement now because he was just a kid, and I could forgive many things to kids.

And plainly a very vulnerable 16 year old ...

Yet he was mentored and championed by Wikipedians, essentially groomed for adminship while still a minor, and on the evidence of your post is presently stressed by the responsibilities he takes upon himself.

I can add that merely being a kid when he made the kind of bossy and agressive, even threatening, edits he was making then doesn't exonerate him from making them. That he treated (at the age of 15) Joe Decker in the way he did raises fundamental quesions in my mind about his maturity and fitness for positions of responsibility regardless of the age he made them.

If the whole account is not a persona, just as his mentor Essjay's was, which I still find plausible, then I suspect a narcissistic personality disorder and that is something that stays with you - you don't "grow out" of narcissism, rather it grows with you.

[mbz1]

... If AKG was 16 years old, when he wrote this, I believe we should stop discussing his statement now because he was just a kid, and I could forgive many things to kids.

And plainly a very vulnerable 16 year old ...

Yet he was mentored and championed by Wikipedians, essentially groomed for adminship while still a minor, and on the evidence of your post is presently stressed by the responsibilities he takes upon himself.

I can add that merely being a kid when he made the kind of bossy and agressive, even threatening, edits he was making then doesn't exonerate him from making them. That he treated (at the age of 15) Joe Decker in the way he did raises fundamental quesions in my mind about his maturity and fitness for positions of responsibility regardless of the age he made them.

If the whole account is not a persona, just as his mentor Essjay's was, which I still find plausible, then I suspect a narcissistic personality disorder and that is something that stays with you - you don't "grow out" of narcissism, rather it grows with you.

What Joe Decker? Any diffs?
But generally speaking I cannot blame a kid who wants to have a power (become admin) I do blame adults who allow that to happen. I am more than sure wikipedia has destroyed many young lives. These wikipedia kids do not yet understand what wikipedia did to them, and when they will it could be too late to fix. One of these kids said http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Armbrust

I decided to retire. Partly due to off-wiki circumstances. I'm just a 27 year old unemployed virgin, who has never had a girlfriend, because I spend too much of my time before the computer.

except I do not believe he did retire. Wikipedia is addictive and kids and some adults too have difficulties quitting. I feel sorry for them. They are robbed of their lives.



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[FightingMac]

What Joe Decker? Any diffs?

I mentioned this in an earlier post as follows (underlined are diffs and links etc.):

Also revealing is this

== NOTICE ==

This is a Warning from The Wikipedia RC Patrol.

Please stop adding sexually explicit content and nonsense to Wikipedia.

Further attempts to do so will result in implications against your user account.

Thank you

he put on Joe Decker's Talk page 14 March 2006, again less than a month after AGK started his account, the only possible edit from this respected editor and administrator it can refer to being an edit Joe made on the ongoing Roman Catholic paedophilia scandals at the time.

Joe responded with

As I've asked on your talk page, please provide a reference to any such abuse, I believe your complaint is without basis.

and indeed you can see on AGK's Talk Page that Joe responded there on 15 March 2006, except that everything on brother Anthony's cfc Talk page from its creation 27 February 2006 to 25 January 2007 has been revision deleted ...

So here we have Anthony as a young 15 year old Roman Catholic boy trying to repress, less than a month after Anthony started his account, a good faith edit on the Roman Catholics paedophilia scandals by a respected editor destined to become an administrator himself. Certainly immature of course, but it's more than just that: it, and others like it, are indicative of a degree of self-importance which I would qualify as pathological, perhaps indeed a reflection of the obsessive compulsive and bipolar disorders he mentions but I'm inclined to suggest narcissistic.

But generally speaking I cannot blame a kid who wants to have a power (become admin) I do blame adults who allow that to happen. ... Wikipedia is addictive and kids and some adults too have difficulties quitting. I feel sorry for them. They are robbed of their lives.

Yes, I agree with this exactly. If he is not simply a persona, a sham like Essjay, then AGK, Anthony of old, was vulnerable and spending far too much of his time on Wikipedia. He says he was academically gifted, and yet we don't see evidence of further study from him. I'm not sure at what age he started to receive direct tuition in becoming an admin (that did happen) but I suspect he was under the age of eighteen at the time. I can imagine a situation where his parents might not have wanted that to happen, rather wanted to discourage his fascination with Wikipedia (a fascination entirely with to do with its supervision and gaining power, disinterested in contributing content himself). I don't say this is so, but I can well imagine it and that there other parents similarly affected, likewise bringing up socially isolated or awkward adolescents like Anthony who become obsessed with Wikipedia.

In this case we have a boy who says he suffers from a well defined mental illness being mentored by the community and encouraged to 'train' as administrator.

I think that is very questionable indeed.

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[mbz1]

What Joe Decker? Any diffs?

I mentioned this in an earlier post as follows (underlined are diffs and links etc.):

Also revealing is this

== NOTICE ==

This is a Warning from The Wikipedia RC Patrol.

Please stop adding sexually explicit content and nonsense to Wikipedia.

Further attempts to do so will result in implications against your user account.

Thank you

he put on Joe Decker's Talk page 14 March 2006, again less than a month after AGK started his account, the only possible edit from this respected editor and administrator it can refer to being an edit Joe made on the ongoing Roman Catholic paedophilia scandals at the time.

Joe responded with

As I've asked on your talk page, please provide a reference to any such abuse, I believe your complaint is without basis.

and indeed you can see on AGK's Talk Page that Joe responded there on 15 March 2006, except that everything on brother Anthony's cfc Talk page from its creation 27 February 2006 to 25 January 2007 has been revision deleted ...

So here we have Anthony as a young 15 year old Roman Catholic boy trying to repress, less than a month after Anthony started his account, a good faith edit on the Roman Catholics paedophilia scandals by a respected editor destined to become an administrator himself. Certainly immature of course, but it's more than just that: it, and others like it, are indicative of a degree of self-importance which I would qualify as pathological, perhaps indeed a reflection of the obsessive compulsive and bipolar disorders he mentions but I'm inclined to suggest narcissistic.

But generally speaking I cannot blame a kid who wants to have a power (become admin) I do blame adults who allow that to happen. ... Wikipedia is addictive and kids and some adults too have difficulties quitting. I feel sorry for them. They are robbed of their lives.

Yes, I agree with this exactly. If he is not simply a persona, a sham like Essjay, then AGK, Anthony of old, was vulnerable and spending far too much of his time on Wikipedia. He says he was academically gifted, and yet we don't see evidence of further study from him. I'm not sure at what age he started to receive direct tuition in becoming an admin (that did happen) but I suspect he was under the age of eighteen at the time. I can imagine a situation where his parents might not have wanted that to happen, rather wanted to discourage his fascination with Wikipedia (a fascination entirely with to do with its supervision and gaining power, disinterested in contributing content himself). I don't say this is so, but I can well imagine it and that there other parents similarly affected, likewise bringing up socially isolated or awkward adolescents like Anthony who become obsessed with Wikipedia.

In this case we have a boy who says he suffers from a well defined mental illness being mentored by the community and encouraged to 'train' as administrator.

I think that is very questionable indeed.

I read a story about academically gifted 15 years old boy. He developed a test to check for cancer, and was awarded $75,000. I wonder, if he has an account on Wikipedia (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

AGK is probably academically gifted too because I personally cannot imagine how one could spend at least 40 hours per week working on the matters related to the governance of wikipedia and do not fell behind in his Uni's study. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif)