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You must make your real name known and must be at least 18 years of age. (Because the identities of Board members are a matter of public record, it is not possible to hold a position on the Board of Trustees anonymously or under a pseudonym.)
...at least we don't have to plan a reaction to most of the Usual Gang of Cabalistas running. And that 18-year-old rule apparently eliminates a number of Wikipedia admins... OK, all kidding aside, who'd want to run for such a powerless position? It's also interesting that the software for the election, and the third-party scrutineers, are at this point unknown. 18 days to go until voting starts and they don't know how it will be conducted or who will monitor it? How very WMF... |
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Oscar is completely cluelessQUOTE autonomy means self-government, and the wmf is not a governing but a facilitating organisation. i strongly believe in the autonomy of the projects, and in that of the chapters as well, for that matter (all within the scope of our mission and within the boundaries set by the law of course); it is the only construction that scales with our growth. the idea of a wikimedia-wide arbcom makes me think of the international court of justice or perhaps rather the international criminal court; such bodies may perhaps be needed at some point in the future (i hope: *not*, in any case the communities themselves should have a large voice in such a decision), but then mainly to ensure the autonomy, coherence and quality of the projects is not permanently endangered by concerted abuse, in my humble opinion. best regards, oscar 11:51, 13 June 2007 (UTC) Gee Oscar, the State of Florida and the IRS are under the impression the WMF is a "governing" entity. In fact they are under the distinct impression that as a member of Board of Trustee you owe a trust and duty to the public to provide that governance. Not to mention the incomprehensible crap about arbcom and the international court of justice.
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Fri 15th June 2007, 5:24pm)  Candidate Yann.Says he has experience with NGOs. Provides no verifiable information concerning this so far. Proudly displays Jimbo Quote on his en:wp userpage. Also I've noted an up-tick of vandalism on the election page. Nothing funny, clever or politically interesting so far. If I notice anything funny, clever or politically interesting I will try to share it here. Mind you I am not encouraging funny, clever or political intersting vandalism of the election page. But we all participate in our own way. I hope Yann is the guy with his arms folded and wearing the moustache on the rickshaw picture, rather than the blander figure facing the camera. Now that moustache guy is someone you'd want on your side. |
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Sun 17th June 2007, 3:25pm) Möller (Eloquence) and Walsh (Mindspillage) Just the boring banal crap you would expect. Nothing much to say about them. I discussed Möller's fund-raising abilities here. Much more Interesting is Kate. Kate of Kate's Tool fame. Check out the LiveJournal-like photo. This is a very young and inexperienced person. Also a very smart person. Even makes sense about seeking grants. It appears that at one point Kate had some sort of falling out with the elite at WP. Does anyone know more about this? She writes: "I will explore additional funding sources besides user donations, such as grants, sponsorship and advertising." Sponsorship and advertising is, on wikipedia at least, a nightmare scenario. I shouldn't really need to elaborate on why. |
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QUOTE(Kato @ Sun 17th June 2007, 9:29am) QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Sun 17th June 2007, 3:25pm) Möller (Eloquence) and Walsh (Mindspillage) Just the boring banal crap you would expect. Nothing much to say about them. I discussed Möller's fund-raising abilities here. Much more Interesting is Kate. Kate of Kate's Tool fame. Check out the LiveJournal-like photo. This is a very young and inexperienced person. Also a very smart person. Even makes sense about seeking grants. It appears that at one point Kate had some sort of falling out with the elite at WP. Does anyone know more about this? She writes: "I will explore additional funding sources besides user donations, such as grants, sponsorship and advertising." Sponsorship and advertising is, on wikipedia at least, a nightmare scenario. I shouldn't really need to elaborate on why. I tend to agree, but not as strongly as many. Putting ads aside for the moment, I think grants are the ticket, because grants are a means for responsible people from outside the "community" to exert influence in WP. This is a bad thing if you are a Ayn Rand ubberman god-king cartoon character entrepreneur. It's good if you are interested in social responsibility. I am impressed that a 24 year old person with a technical background would even articulate grants as a solution. I don't see that elsewhere so far. God knows Danny ain't talking about grants. That would point out a certain resume weakness. |
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The latest candidate is User:UninvitedCompany (Steve Dunlap) ArbCom guy. Strangely silent about his role in Checkuser and Ombudsman Commission. Talks "donors" not grants or foundations. EndorsementsEach candidates needs 12 endorsements from users with 400+ edits in any project. Endorsers may but don't have to make brief statements. You have to be "confirmed" (identity-wise) by the election committee before you can receive endorsements. So far (number of endorsements): Danny-28 Eloquence-27 Snow-26 Mindspillage-35 Oscar-51 The following have not yet been confirmed: Kate SarekOfVulcan UninvitedCompany WarX Yann Mechanics of endorsing: To endorse you has to create a Mediawiki account. Once you create the account create a userpage. On that userpage indicate your user name in the project you have at least 400 edits in (example: en.wikipedia). Then go to the endorsement page and sign up under your candidate's name. Note: if your candidate hasn't been confirmed your endorsement will be removed and apparently not re-added when they are confirmed. Wait until they are confirmed to endorse. ADDENDUM: Please note that in addition to indicating your project (example en:WP) username on your Wikimedia page you also need to indicate you Wikimedia username on your project page. the exact wording is provided below: QUOTE It is important to note that you must either include your home wiki and username with your endorsement, or include that info on your meta userpage. You must also, on your home wiki user page, tell us the meta name under which you are endorsing. This post has been edited by GlassBeadGame: |
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Below you'll see I also judge them on appearance as well as text, as some text I get no sense of them from. However, from looking at the pictures, a lot of these people made their pictures like they were being judged on looks. QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Tue 12th June 2007, 12:23pm) New Candidates:DragonFire1024 an apparently completely weak candidate. and Incumbent Oscar who has some accomplishments but in areas completely unrelated to non-profit governance. Dragonfire's picture makes him look like he's a stoner who just smoked a blunt the size of his forearm. I don't know if that look's intentional or not. Oscar looks like I saw him on TV. QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Fri 15th June 2007, 9:24am) Candidate Yann.Says he has experience with NGOs. Provides no verifiable information concerning this so far. Proudly displays Jimbo Quote on his en:wp userpage. I don't trust the mustache. It looks creepy. Even the excuse that he's French only lightens the creepy a little. Also he claims he is in a rickshaw in his picture, but a rickshaw is an overgrown wheelbarrow pulled by a suffering man. What he is in is a funky golf cart. In thinking about it more, both those mustache men look like a mix between porn stars and people that goffer children candy to lure them into their van. I normally am not all racist or the equivalent against pedos, but I don't like guys that look like creepy pedos whether they be pedos or common porn stars. QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Sat 16th June 2007, 4:57pm) Danny. Begins his statement with a juvenile quote, without attribution. Then he launches his juvenile campaign. Spoiler: no explanation of why no grants were awarded while he was "Grants Coordinator" of WMF. Lots of disgruntled employee grumbling. No coherent dissent. SarekOfVulcan Self described geek. Seems unobjectionable unless your overly concerned with Freemasons. Danny looks fine, except a bit ugly. He needs to make it more defined where his neck stops and his jawline begins. SarekOfVulcan he looks like a sweet guy. But I've known him a bunch on wiki. He is a worse wiki stalker than will beback. SarekOfVulcan doesn't even tell you or complain. No, he sees one edit he disagrees with and he goes through your entire edit list... thousands, removing your content, putting your pictures up for deletion, etc. SarekOfVulcan is the worst of them from my little experience! It's a good think I saw how this guy operates as an editor or I would have concluded he's decent based on his picture. QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Sun 17th June 2007, 7:25am) Möller (Eloquence) and Walsh (Mindspillage) Just the boring banal crap you would expect. Nothing much to say about them. I discussed Möller's fund-raising abilities here. Much more Interesting is Kate. Kate of Kate's Tool fame. Check out the LiveJournal-like photo. This is a very young and inexperienced person. Also a very smart person. Even makes sense about seeking grants. It appears that at one point Kate had some sort of falling out with the elite at WP. Does anyone know more about this? I remember the "flattering" picture of mindspillage as it was called as it was spread around. She used to make herself out to be this young girl who was all innocent and only did arbcom because they begged her and needed someone who they can trust. Now she looks like a middle-aged Mexican woman--not only has she changed race, she lost credibility for her innocent act, but from reading her text she still plays it a bit. Eloquence -- he has this creepy gay smile. Now I don't have anything at all against gays, but I don't like creepy and Eloquence has a creepy gay smile. Eloquence, however, has a really well written bio up there that makes him sound like a good and hard worker. Kate did a politician hypocrisy: "I will oppose any attempt by the Foundation to publish content in other forms, such as books. However, I believe publishing our content is important, so it can be available to a wider audience, including people without Internet access." Kate's photo looks like something 16 year old girls do to make themselves look hot when they're really ugly. She hides most of herself and then does bright with high contrast. I assume she wants people to vote for her based on being pretty, but it makes her look like a teen girl and not a responsible person to be trusted in a position of authority. The developer is a plus for Kate, but her wanting to shut down all these projects sounds bad. Sure budget cuts are helpful if the company is desperate for money, but if not then it's like she wants to take down a lot of wikipedia projects. Her quote "I will explore additional funding sources besides user donations, such as grants, sponsorship and advertising." shows she's got ideas nobody wants. Kate even has the caption, note the all lowercase, "me" in her picture. The rest either desribe the location or say nothing. QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Sun 17th June 2007, 9:31am)
I am impressed that a 24 year old person with a technical background would even articulate grants as a solution.
I had a lot of very elaborate, brainy ideas as a child and young teenager. Stuff advanced beyond adults. However, they were elaborate, brainy ideas that were bad ideas based on a lot of technical knowledge that adults didn't grasp, but lacking common sense -- example: around age 8 I thought to solve the ozone problem by building a dome around the planet (obvious impractical, but it was different than my peers who were eating boogers and trying to get molested by the pedophile down the street). Her ideas are the same. QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Mon 18th June 2007, 2:50pm) The latest candidate is User:UninvitedCompany (Steve Dunlap) ArbCom guy. Strangely silent about his role in Checkuser and Ombudsman Commission. Talks "donors" not grants or foundations. UninvitedCompany. Vague bio. Picture looks like Napolean Dynamite meets Bill Gates, particularly in emotional expression. For those not mentioned............ Ausir-- vague bio sounds like a he cares a bit. His appearance is something else. I can't describe it. Michael Snow -- uses a baby picture so logic dictates that he looks ugly now. Either that or he is the same Michael Snow who is George Bush's current press secretary. Either way I wouldn't chance it on having Dubya's anti-american administration getting into wikipedia. WarX -- looks like a hippy. Hair has a flower in it. Likely he's downplaying his name. Bio is vague. So my picks: 1) I think Daniel Brandt should run. Maybe the editors who edit (aka. edit war) wouldn't like him, but the people with bios would. 2) Oscar. Best looking and this is despite him being a bit old and looking 20 years older than he is. He looks like an actor. 3) Yann. So he's a French pedophile porn star. At least I know what his flaws are and these likely won't impact Wikipedia too much, except for the extra pictures of anuses, penises, and more greek sexual art in the pederasty article. Ones to avoid and why: Ausir -- looks like some geeky guy that takes his anger out by banning you. Danny -- I don't know. Aside from ugly, I heard bad things about him. DragonFire1024 -- Do we really want a stoner one such an important position? Eloquence -- creepy and in a way I'm not sure what he's up to. Where Yann's creepy was the evil you know, this guy's is the evil you don't. Kate -- seems like a dumb teen girl by her actions or at least the pic Michael Snow -- George W. Bush lucky. And untrustworhy by giving baby picture SarekOfVulcan -- a-hole as an editor WarX -- untrustworthy. Likes war so he picks the name and then pretends to be a hippy for the election Not sure: Mindspillage -- She's been hivemind for a long time so I vaguely remember a feeling of remembering bad things about her, but nothing too bad. UninvitedCompany -- Not sure. He's been an admin for a long time so he's probably done some bad things. |
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Mon 18th June 2007, 10:50pm) Mechanics of endorsing: To endorse you has to create a Mediawiki account. Once you create the account create a userpage. On that userpage indicate your user name in the project you have at least 400 edits in (example: en.wikipedia). Then go to the endorsement page and sign up under your candidate's name. Note: if your candidate hasn't been confirmed your endorsement will be removed and apparently not re-added when they are confirmed. Wait until they are confirmed to endorse. As I'm in good stead on Wikiquote and have well over 400 edits there, I'm entitled to endorse a candidate. Who would welcome my endorsement? QUOTE(LamontStormstar @ Tue 19th June 2007, 12:22am)
Mindspillage -- She's been hivemind for a long time so I vaguely remember a feeling of remembering bad things about her, but nothing too bad.
UninvitedCompany -- Not sure. He's been an admin for a long time so he's probably done some bad things.
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This comment sort of struck me as odd: http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?titl...15&oldid=606096QUOTE(Danny Wool-meister @ 00:37, 19 June 2007 (UTC)) ...a short time before I resigned, I had pressed for a meeting between the office and the current mayor of St. Petersburg, a very friendly and progressive individual. While that did not happen yet, I did take part in a meeting with the former mayor of the town, whose office is down the hall from ours. At that meeting we laid our cards on the table. Let's face it, we are the biggest thing in St. Pete at the moment (apart from the races that are held here annually), and an expanded WMF could do wonders to transforming this town into another high-tech, free culture center. We could be the anchor for a new "Silicon Swamp," in much the same way that Boeing (and later Microsoft) helped enliven Seattle. We already had good relations with local colleges, who provided us with interns, I have personal contacts with the local arts community, local public figures have contacted us, and with some vision, we could be of benefit to a very friendly, ambitious town. The question is, of course, how can the town reciprocate. That kind of thinking requires vision, and is worth exploring. How can an organization that employs fewer than ten people be "the biggest thing in St. Pete at the moment"? What an absurd statement! Particularly with this comparison to Microsoft and Boeing, both of which employ thousands. And where is the money going to come from for this "expanded WMF"? Charity donations? Goshers, maybe they can have as many as 15, or even 20 employees - that'll make the current mayor of St. Petersburg stand up and take notice, all righty! (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) I'm afraid "vision" is not quite what that kind of thinking requires... more like "delusion." Still, you have to admire the chutzpah, I guess. |
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Danny certainly has a way about him. The love that fills the air of his Candidacy here brings to mind his recent and long to be remembered RfA Nom. His whole unpleasant exchange with Anthere certainly support the "weak by design" theory of the WMF. Oscar also seems to uncomfortable with Danny.. I think Anthere should take a stronger position. Anthere try this: "As the President of the WMF I was not pleased with Danny performance. During the time Danny was "Grants Coordinator" we secured no grants of any kind, nor did we secure grants at a later time any based on his efforts (if any) during his service. He spent his time playing at dysfunctional social networking games and being the personal tool of the god-king. Now the lazy bum has the nerve to attack me." That would be consistent with this thread. Danny seems to endorse my " Captains of Industry" theme: QUOTE Finally, I would like to see the introduction of more professional Board members, to include true "captains of industry and academia," who have no personal ties to the individual projects, who can oversee the projects from a necessary distance, help the community to decide on new directions, and provide us with the much-needed financial sustainabililty (sic) Good point but hardly a reason to vote for Danny. This post has been edited by GlassBeadGame: |
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QUOTE(Somey @ Tue 19th June 2007, 1:18pm) How can an organization that employs fewer than ten people be "the biggest thing in St. Pete at the moment"? What an absurd statement! Particularly with this comparison to Microsoft and Boeing, both of which employ thousands. And where is the money going to come from for this "expanded WMF"? Charity donations? Goshers, maybe they can have as many as 15, or even 20 employees - that'll make the current mayor of St. Petersburg stand up and take notice, all righty! (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) Uh, this is St. Petersburg, Florida we're talking about here, right? (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/blink.gif) What an arrogant jackass! (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/dry.gif) QUOTE(Somey @ Tue 19th June 2007, 1:18pm)
I'm afraid "vision" is not quite what that kind of thinking requires... more like "delusion." Still, you have to admire the chutzpah, I guess.
I can't help it: THE BALLAD OF IRVING DANNY He was short and fat, and rode out of the West
With a Mogen David on his silver vest.
He was mean and nasty right clear through,
Which was kinda weird, 'cause he was yellow too.
They called him Danny.
Big Danny.
Big, short Danny.
Big, short, fat Danny.
The hundred and forty-second fastest gun in the West.
He came from the old Bar Mitzvah spread,
Schlepping a salami and pumpernickel bread.
He always followed his mother's wishes,
Even on the range he used two sets of dishes.
Danny.
Big, fat Danny.
Big sissy Danny.
The hundred and forty-second fastest gun in the West.
A hundred and forty-one could draw faster than he,
But Danny was looking for one forty-three.
Walked into Sol's Saloon like a man insane,
And ordered three fingers of two cents plain.
Danny.
Big, fat Danny.
Big sport Danny.
The hundred and forty-second fastest gun in the West.
The James Boys was comin' on a train at first sun,
And the town said, "Danny, we need your gun."
When that train pulled in at the break of dawn,
Danny's gun was there, but Danny was gone.
Danny.
Big, fat Danny.
Big help, Danny.
The hundred and forty-second fastest gun in the West.
Well, finally Danny got three slugs in the belly.
It was right outside the Frontier Deli.
He was sittin' there twirlin' his gun around,
And butterfingers Danny gunned himself down!
Danny.
Big, fat Danny.
Big dum-dum Danny.
Big dum-dum dead Danny.
The hundred and forty-second fastest gun in the West.Really. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif) |
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QUOTE(Cedric @ Tue 19th June 2007, 4:53pm) Uh, this is St. Petersburg, Florida we're talking about here, right? (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/blink.gif) What an arrogant jackass! (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/dry.gif) Well, I wouldn't have put it in so many words, I suppose... But think about it - it isn't just number of employees. Microsoft and Boeing are huge corporations - they make sales. They bring in huge amounts of cash, a lot of which is paid to the localities in which they operate as taxes and fully-funded infrastructure improvements. They also attract other companies as vendors, suppliers, and contractors. The jobs they create, even among those other companies, are mostly high-income ones (the ones they don't outsource to India and China, anyway)... Not only that, but lots of big companies donate money to local cultural organizations, build museums and symphony halls, yada yada yada. What's the likelihood that WMF is ever going to do any of that shit? Zero! WMF is practically a charity itself anyway - I doubt they pay any local taxes at all. Now, one might argue that at least Wikipedia doesn't pollute the physical environment, which I'll admit is at least something. But the physical environment isn't the only one we have to live in, if you know what I'm sayin'. |
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QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Tue 19th June 2007, 3:42am) QUOTE(Somey @ Tue 19th June 2007, 5:56am) Perhaps even torpedoed his own candidacy, he has. Yeah, but I wonder what other j uicy details we're going to find out....I mean, renting a car to...go o the beach? And this is a not-for-profit?? I can't believe that Danny is cutting loose with so much bile. There's no way that this is going to turn out well for any of the involved parties. If Danny is elected, the Board will fracture. If he's not elected, he's going to claim he was "cheated" and the election stole out from under him. It sort of reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw during the 1980s promoting the presidential candidacy of Paul Laxalt, former senator from Nevada. With a mushroom cloud in the background, the sticker read: "Vote for Laxalt (Let's get this over with)." |
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QUOTE(Cedric @ Tue 19th June 2007, 1:42am) Uh-oh. Looks like Danny put his foot in it. Big time. Made the main page of Wikitruth (natch). Who's to say this isn't what his candidacy was all about? Were I in his shoes, I'd be thinking that (1) after the disastrous RfA, winning this election was a pipe dream but (2) the candidate statement and Q&A would be a wonderful way to get even with the WMF for whatever real or imagined offenses they committed against me. This could be the WMF version of a suicide bombing... he may take himself down, but he's going to try to take the WMF leadership with him... I wonder when his attacks on the chairperson of the WMF Board of Directors will be oversighted. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) And in case they are, I thought I'd add this as Danny's contribution to the Strawman Games: QUOTE
Should editors expect the foundation to pay babysitter fees while they edit? I realize that that is an extreme example, but there are stark similarities.
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QUOTE(Robster @ Tue 19th June 2007, 8:43pm) And in case they are, I thought I'd add this as Danny's contribution to the Strawman Games: QUOTE Should editors expect the foundation to pay babysitter fees while they edit? I realize that that is an extreme example, but there are stark similarities. There's very much an American vs. European attitudes undercurrent. Florence the European thinks there's nothing wrong with taking someone's money (government or Wikipedia) to take care of her children. Likewise, Oscar thinks it's great he gets to go to the beach on someone else's dime. Then Danny takes the position that both these folks are thieves and should have to pay their own way and all hell breaks loose. Fascinating to watch whatever the outcome. |
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Tue 19th June 2007, 9:04pm) Couldn't you say that the WMF attracts lawsuits to the local area? Lawyers are high-paid. To be honest, I don't think they've even been particularly successful at that! And I'm sure I needn't explain the essential problem with the "trickle-down effect," particularly as regards the economics of the "sue game"... Mind you, I have nothing against Danny Wool personally, though at this point such a claim by me is probably unsupportable. And who knows, maybe Danny Wool is The One Guy who really knows how to run the Wikimedia Foundation properly, to right the ship, to get everyone on the same page, and a dozen other cliches I don't want to bother typing in right now... But to come up with something like that as a reason to elect him to the Board of Trustees, well, that's just out there. It almost makes you hope that he really is trying to BS everybody, because the alternative is almost too scary to contemplate. |
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For completeness here's User:KingboyK. Nothing worth comment. Well this election is certainly shaping up to be a real yawner. Nom and Endorsement both close on June 23 at 23.59 GMT 0 (please double check my understanding of the deadline). As far as I can see no candidate is deserving of support. It would be nice if one of our BADSITES type advocates would stand as a "bridge" candidate that would encourage dialog between WR type Crits and the Board. I wouldn't even care what positions they might take on other issues. I don't see that happening though. Well at least we still got People Magazine and Judge Judy to entertain us. |
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Funny that BADSITES never comes up in questions. It is the only imposed censorship that is contraversial and completely unrelated to editorial definitions of what is encyclopedic.
I don't think many really take it seriously. Just my opinion, but if you looked at the BADSITES discussion (which then moved to WP:NPA), there's not a whole lot of heavy hitters involved. Slim has stated she was reluctant to get involved from the beginning because she felt Denny was a sockpuppet and/or naive. But she did anyway to serve her agenda. If you want to count her as a "heavy hitter", she was probably the only one involved. Now it actually appears to me that neither side knows what it was arguing about or if they even disagreed. QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Fri 22nd June 2007, 10:10pm)
Does the prohibition concerning BADSITES links apply to Wikimedia?
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QUOTE(BobbyBombastic @ Sat 23rd June 2007, 5:27am) QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Fri 22nd June 2007, 10:10pm)
Funny that BADSITES never comes up in questions. It is the only imposed censorship that is contraversial and completely unrelated to editorial definitions of what is encyclopedic.
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No, I haven't forgotten there is an election. Although I don't see how it result in anything other than a Board even weaker and and more isolated from significant viewpoints other than the insular "WP community." It seems likely Oscar and Eloquence will return, and probably take either Mindspillage, Yann or (yuck) Danny with them. As no prospect of reform presents itself maybe Danny is best from a " hasten the day" perspective. At least he promises some entertainment value. Odd just a few hours before voting starts and this still appear on the election page: QUOTE The election will use approval voting through the dedicated software (now being discussed). Prior to the voting phase will be an endorsement phase, in which each candidate will need to obtain a specific number of endorsements supporting their candidacy. For the final voting, each voter will be allowed to vote for as many of the candidates as he or she wishes. The candidate(s) with the most votes will be declared elected. In the event of a tie, a run-off election will be announced.
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QUOTE(Robster @ Wed 27th June 2007, 8:51pm) Stunner (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) It's 02:50 UTC 28 Jun 2007 -- and the voting hasn't started, nor has the election mechanism even been announced. I guess it's not midnight WikiStandardTime yet... (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) No voting has begun. Just that nobody seems to care. If you sign in there is a link on top of the log-in, Main Page and maybe all pages. You can't see if your not logged in. |
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Wed 27th June 2007, 10:57pm) QUOTE(Robster @ Wed 27th June 2007, 8:51pm) Stunner (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) It's 02:50 UTC 28 Jun 2007 -- and the voting hasn't started, nor has the election mechanism even been announced. I guess it's not midnight WikiStandardTime yet... (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) No voting has begun. Just that nobody seems to care. If you sign in there is a link on top of the log-in, Main Page and maybe all pages. You can't see if your not logged in. Oh, cool. Did we decide who we're supporting? (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) |
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QUOTE(Robster @ Wed 27th June 2007, 11:02pm) QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Wed 27th June 2007, 10:57pm) QUOTE(Robster @ Wed 27th June 2007, 8:51pm) Stunner (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) It's 02:50 UTC 28 Jun 2007 -- and the voting hasn't started, nor has the election mechanism even been announced. I guess it's not midnight WikiStandardTime yet... (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) No voting has begun. Just that nobody seems to care. If you sign in there is a link on top of the log-in, Main Page and maybe all pages. You can't see if your not logged in. Oh, cool. Did we decide who we're supporting? (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) I don't think any of the candidates have really said anything that solves any of the problems that WR members have discussed. In a US presidential election if I don't particular like any of the candidates, I vote for the one likely to do very little or at least do the least amount of damage. I don't even know of current board's major accomplishments. They obviously haven't done anything to assuage living people with articles like Daniel Brandt. If one of the candidates would discuss that, I'd be inclined to vote for them. But it seems the present board considers it a concern for the individual WP communities and not the Foundation (at least until they really cheese some person off. Despite what the WP Community thinks, Daniel Brandt has likely been merciful compared to what other living people might do... like sue for millions if not billions of dollars in a financial war of attrition the Foundation could not win). End of rant. |
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 28th June 2007, 1:03pm) QUOTE(Robster @ Wed 27th June 2007, 9:02pm) [ Oh, cool. Did we decide who we're supporting? (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) Yesterday I thought I'd respond to the above. I opened the edit window and nothing came. Nothing at all. I've read college student government ballots that gave me a lot more confidence in the competence of the candidates. What this election process needs is what we have in science fiction's Hugo Awards: the ability to vote NO AWARD. |
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QUOTE(badlydrawnjeff @ Thu 28th June 2007, 1:35pm) QUOTE(BobbyBombastic @ Thu 28th June 2007, 4:37pm)
excuse me for uttering this potential blasphemy, but Danny seems like the strongest candidate by far.
Agreed. I don't even consider it blasphemy, though - he pissed me off plenty, but I've never doubted his dedication. Bobby? Really? BDJ. Well you know... Now I have already suggested vote for Danny in that hasten the day way. But dedicated? Maybe in that he thinks WP is a neat idea way. Maybe in the sit all day and late into the night on wiki or talking to your friends on IRC way. But he was the Grants Coordinator. Which...I don't know... might have something to do with getting WMF some grants. He secured none, zero, zip. As Anthere said " No Grants Were Seeked." |
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 28th June 2007, 8:03pm) Now I have already suggested vote for Danny in that hasten the day way. But dedicated? Maybe in that he thinks WP is a neat idea way. Maybe in the sit all day and late into the night on wiki or talking to your friends on IRC way. But he was the Grants Coordinator. Which...I don't know... might have something to do with getting WMF some grants. He secured none, zero, zip. As Anthere said " No Grants Were Seeked." This assumes you 1) trust a word that comes out of the Foundation's mouth, or 2) trust that the Foundation has any clue as to what's going on. I sure don't, and haven't for a while. And, frankly, if the Board doesn't like Danny, I'm wondering if he was actually doing a lot more right than I originally gave him credit for. |
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I like the fact that Danny is pissed off. Emotional decisions often make for bad decisions, but they also lead to large shake ups. He's addressed every question last time a checked, rather thoughtfully, and amazingly that is more than can be said for many candidates. I really don't have much at stake so maybe I am making superficial observations, but to be honest he seems almost like the only candidate. But, if anyone wants to sink him, an official WR endorsement would do it. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif) |
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QUOTE(BobbyBombastic @ Fri 29th June 2007, 2:09pm) I like the fact that Danny is pissed off. Emotional decisions often make for bad decisions, but they also lead to large shake ups. He's addressed every question last time a checked, rather thoughtfully, and amazingly that is more than can be said for many candidates. I really don't have much at stake so maybe I am making superficial observations, but to be honest he seems almost like the only candidate. But, if anyone wants to sink him, an official WR endorsement would do it. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif) Then it's official? Hasten the day. Vote Danny. |
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 28th June 2007, 9:47pm) No it is based on the lack of grants that were awarded during his employment or that came in subsequent to his employment as a result of his record. Do you think there are "secret grants" that only Danny knows about and B/T doesn't? Mostly, its based on his candidate statement Q&A. QUOTE I negotiated new deals, and I worked on a potential grant from a foundation that had already given us $40,000. I was certainly laying the groundwork That's it? Potential grant? Talked to someone who gave some money in the past? Come on now. Let no even discuss how paltry $40,000 is for a project of this magnitude. "Groundwork" don't pay the bills. And this is his version. Imagine. Well, as someone who's done similar things to that, I know it's not easy. Given that Danny was also the office on-wiki representative for a while, it's obviously not the only thing he was doing, and grant hunting apparently wasn't a top priority. After all, he left on his own free will. If they were that unhappy with his performance... |
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QUOTE(badlydrawnjeff @ Fri 29th June 2007, 2:35pm) QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Thu 28th June 2007, 9:47pm) No it is based on the lack of grants that were awarded during his employment or that came in subsequent to his employment as a result of his record. Do you think there are "secret grants" that only Danny knows about and B/T doesn't? Mostly, its based on his candidate statement Q&A. QUOTE I negotiated new deals, and I worked on a potential grant from a foundation that had already given us $40,000. I was certainly laying the groundwork That's it? Potential grant? Talked to someone who gave some money in the past? Come on now. Let no even discuss how paltry $40,000 is for a project of this magnitude. "Groundwork" don't pay the bills. And this is his version. Imagine. Well, as someone who's done similar things to that, I know it's not easy. Given that Danny was also the office on-wiki representative for a while, it's obviously not the only thing he was doing, and grant hunting apparently wasn't a top priority. After all, he left on his own free will. If they were that unhappy with his performance... Job Title: Grants Coordinator. |
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Sun 8th July 2007, 10:18am)
Voting has been over for over 14 hours. As far as i can tell there is no information available concerning the results. Anybody else know anything?
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Sun 8th July 2007, 6:40pm) Apart from the fact my browser doesn't trust spi-inc.org just who are they? From SPI's website: QUOTE
SPI is a non-profit organization which was founded to help organizations develop and distribute open hardware and software. We encourage programmers to use any license that allows for the free modification, redistribution and use of software, and hardware developers to distribute documentation that will allow device drivers to be written for their product.
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QUOTE The Wikimedia Board Election Steering Committee hereby gives notice of the results of the 2007 Board of Trustees election. The winners are Erik Möller, Kat Walsh and Frieda Brioschi. They are known also by the usernames Eloquence, Mindspillage and Frieda respectively. The Board of Trustees endorses the results and appoints Möller, Walsh and Brioschi effective today, on July 12, 2007. Erik and Kathleen will continue on the board for another term. Brioschi will be invited to join the Board, effective today. The term to which Möller, Walsh and Brioschi are appointed will end with the regular 2009 election.
In total, 4170 valid single ballots were cast and accepted; the specific results are as follows:
1. Eloquence (Erik Möller) 1671 votes
2. Mindspillage (Kathleen Walsh) 1427 votes
3. Frieda (Frieda Brioschi) 1254 votes
4. Oscar (Oscar van Dillen) 1234 votes
5. Michael Snow 1229 votes
6. Danny (Danny Wool) 1217 votes
7. Yann (Yann Forget) 1153 votes
8. Kim Bruning 1124 votes
9. UninvitedCompany (Steve Dunlop) 1047 votes
10. Kate (River Tarnell) 889 votes
11. Kingboyk (Stephen Kennedy) 864 votes
12. Ausir (Pawel Dembowski) 693 votes
13. ^demon (Michael "Chad" Horohoe) 672 votes
14. WarX (Artur Jan Fijalkowski) 571 votes
15. DragonFire1024 (Jason Safoutin) 495 votes
We would like to take this opportunity to give our thanks to all the candidates. We, on behalf of the community, appreciate the frank and honest debate. We further thank all of the voters who participated in this election as well as the developers, translators, and others who supported and promoted the election.
We further wish to thank Software in the Public Interest for hosting the election website, and particularly Michael Schultheiss, Vice President, who took responsibility for tallying and reporting the results to the Committee. Without the support of both SPI and Michael this election would have been much more difficult.
Yours,
The Wikimedia Board Election Steering Committee, 2007
Aphaia
Philippe
Newyorkbrad
Jon Harald Søby
Retrieved from "http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2007/Results/source" http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/found...uly/031683.htmlQUOTE('Florence Devouard' date='Thu Jul 12 22:00:04 UTC 2007')
Thank you Philippe,
Well, let me state that I am very pleased by the people chosen by the
community. Each year, I fear the worse. And each year... the community
makes a very good choice ;-)
It gives me a sort of fuzzy warm feeling.
I am very happy to go on working with Erik and Kat. They were both very
good board members in the past months, and I am very happy you chose to
extend their term.
I am delighted to see Frieda join. Because she is already quite involved
in the wikimedia movement. Because she is italian, so is a further proof
of our internationality. Because she is a woman (but that is my own
personal bias). Welcome Frieda !
Let me express personal regrets to Oscar and Michael in particular.
Thanks to all candidates anyway.
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QUOTE(BobbyBombastic @ Thu 12th July 2007, 5:59pm) doesn't this make you wish danny would have won? (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/mellow.gif) Well, Frieda probably won based on her candidate's photo: (IMG: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/meta/thumb/a/ac/Frieda.JPG/150px-Frieda.JPG) All the other photos were of geeky teenage boys in basements, or worse! Italian women make good foundation board members, generally speaking. It would be better if she was from Southern Italy, or better yet Sicily, but you can't have everything I suppose... |
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